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Posted By: Min Power

Posted On: Mar 23, 2003
Views: 1683
Oil

This war is about oil. Anyone who thinks it is because america cares about 'freeing iraq' is delusional.


Posted By: Chuck Rose

Posted On: Mar 24, 2003
Views: 1664
RE: Oil

Well, you're only half wrong. This war is not about oil. But to be honest, it's not really about "freeing Iraq" either. Sure, liberating hundreds of thousands of people from the tyrannical rule of a vicious dictator is a nice fringe benefit, but that's not why we're there. We're there to protect us. We're there to protect Americans both at home and abroad from a regime that has vast amounts of chemical and biological weapons, and no reservations about using them or providing them to terrorists. We are there to try and prevent another 9/11. Of course, there are some that would argue that war never prevents or ends anything. Well, except slavery. and nazism. and Fascism. and communism. That's all though. Nothing really important.


Posted By: Jimmy

Posted On: Mar 24, 2003
Views: 1659
RE: Oil

President Bush, is that you?
Your argument is awesome on paper but you have done a terrible job explaining it to everyone else.


Posted By: Andreas

Posted On: Mar 24, 2003
Views: 1642
RE: Oil

oh well, how funny.

which war ended communism exactly?

and the point of everybody else arguing (where you seemed to not have listened) is whether iraq actually has these scary amounts of weapons. The inspectors were allowed to anywhere they want, and check everything to find out if there are places where they could be built and guess what - they couldnt find anything. thats why quite a chunk of the world doesnt go to war with us. Oh and as a sidenote - the connection between 9-11 and saddam hussein (tyrannic dictator that he is - granted) is simply not proven. The proof that the public got to see turned out as complete flukes. So why dont you go to North Korea instead - they have atomic weapons for sure and are not afrid to use them - ohh right, there's no oil to liberate there.


Posted By: BetterMouseTrap

Posted On: Mar 24, 2003
Views: 1639
RE: Oil

The Right Has Spoken!
Now let's hear from the correct:
This war is certainly not about defending the American people. As you might recall, it was an organization called Al Queda (sp?) that attacked the U.S.
Al Queda...Republican Guard...Al Queda...Republican Guard...nope, definetely not the same thing.
Saddam is a bad man, that much is true. We should have killed him the first time we went in. However, Saddam is NOT Osama bin Laden. In fact, Saddam has persecuted Islamic fundamentalists for decades (remember those scraggly Muslims called the Kurds? Saddam spent ten years trying to kill them off with chemical weapons we gave - not sold - to the Iraqi military).
In truth, Osama probably hates Saddam as much as we do. While we're charging across the Mesopotamian desert (Iraq), Osama and his band are re-organizing and preparing to take advantage of the growing anti-American sentiment worldwide.
That's really freaking stupid.
Oh, and your assertation that war stops the terrible things you mention: bull.
War didn't stop slavery, economics did.
War didn't stop communism, the international market did.
War didn't stop fascism, it still exists in countries around the world.
The only thing war stopped was national socialism (Nazis), but not before it destroyed most of Europe and cost the lives of millions of people.
But other than that, nice essay.


Posted By: Chuck Rose

Posted On: Mar 24, 2003
Views: 1634
RE: Oil

p-e-r-h-a-p-s i s-h-o-u-l-d s-p-e-l-l i-t o-u-t f-o-r y-o-u. Oh, I apologize. I didn't realize you were from Florida. If the intricasies of a ballot were too confusing for you, then international diplomacy is probably a little too advanced for you right now. For now, why don't you just focus on memorizing the rest of the lyrics to every, single Dixie Chicks song.


Posted By: Chuck Rose

Posted On: Mar 24, 2003
Views: 1632
RE: Oil

When (not if, but when) biological and chemical weapons are found and/or used in this conflict by Iraq, are each and every one of you going to apologize and kick yourself for falling for the lies of an idiotic tyrant? Will you then all admit that this was probably a good idea and a war that probably prevented the loss of thousands and thousands of innocent, civilian lives?


Posted By: Andreas

Posted On: Mar 24, 2003
Views: 1619
RE: RE: Oil

I was thinking about that one for a second.

But why should Bush be the only person in the world who can go to war first and then maybe give us prove afterwards if they found something. Apparently he's going to fight some country that never harmed them ever on the basis of vague assumptions? North Korea has (they even admit it themselves) more harmful weapons than Iraq. So why doesnt Bush go there? A few questions for you to ponder.


Posted By: Chuck Rose

Posted On: Mar 24, 2003
Views: 1617
RE: Oil

You're absolutely right. North Korea has nuclear weapons. They are a horrible and oppressive regime. But, have they, in the past 30 years, used those weapons against their own people. Nope. Have they attacked a neighboring country for absolutely no reason other than money and land? Nope. In fact, since the Korean War, they have pretty much kept to themselves. Until recently, of course. I am very pleased that you would support military action against North Korea if they continue to refuse to end their nuclear program. Now, should we give them 12 years to comply with those demands as we've done with Iraq, or should we wait longer so that they might have an opportunity to spread their nuclear knowledge to terrorists or develop a missile system capable of reaching the continental U.S.?? Regardless, Iraq is the more immediate threat right now, but be patient. Korea may not be far behind. I'm glad your country and its soldiers will have your support if it should come to that. God bless you and God bless America


Posted By: Andreas

Posted On: Mar 24, 2003
Views: 1615
RE: Oil

I didnt say that war against Korea has my support - i just pointed out the absolute randomness of the attack at this point. Saddma Hussein has been a threat for the past thirty years. funnily the Us gave him the weapons and the money to attack Iran when the Regime the US put in power there to replace the shah didnt quite work the way they had imagined it. SO they took the little local dictator, fed him with money and weapons to throw over their neighboring country. When that didnt work out for Iraq, they turned to Kuwait, with the american weapons. Now the US didnt want that either so they hit him with their army. then, some couple of years later, without any real new reason or anything else for that matter they just strike him again.

I find this whole setup highly strange and it doesnt make me feel good about the US's foreign policies. I can see them hitting otehr small countries for their resources soon. I hear the South-Africans have lots of Gold and Diamonds? let's hope the Bush administration hasnt heard about it yet.


Posted By: Chuck Rose

Posted On: Mar 24, 2003
Views: 1604
RE: Oil

I wonder if you prefered the Clinton foreign policy that allowed Bin Laden to stay alive. He had the opportunity to capture him, but felt it would upset the Arab and Muslim world, and so he did nothing. He did nothing and over 3,000 people are dead partly because of that decision. Now, maybe Saddam Hussein would never harm an American citizen. Maybe he would never aid in any terrorist activities. Maybe he would become an Eagle Scout and help old ladies across the street in his spare time. Not likely, though. One definition of insanity is to continue doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results. Well, we tried your way with Bin Laden, and that didn't exactly work out. We tried the diplomatic course with Saddam Hussein for 12 years, and that wasn't going anywhere either. So, here we are. Do we continue doing the exact same thing or do we make a bold decision to help ensure the safety of Americans everywhere? Pres. Bush made the decision to end the 'insanity' and I (along with most other Americans) agree with him and salute his decision. We all understand that this country has made mistakes in judgement before, but Mr. Bush can only play with the hand he's been dealt. And this was no time to fold.


Posted By: Chuck Rose

Posted On: Mar 24, 2003
Views: 1601
RE: Oil

Everyone continues to make references to Iraq's oil. Anybody that has done their homework knows that the Bush family made the majority of their money in oil. Many of Mr. Bush's financial backers are wealthy oilmen. Everyone seems to think that for these reasons, Mr. Bush must want to keep Iraq's oil from being in control of Saddam Hussein. One question: What f#@cking good would that do?? Unless Iraq is going to be the 51st state, it's still not our oil. And Mr. Bush's rich oil friends will stand to make millions more dollars if Saddam kept his oil to himself. That would keep prices up which would allow all of the presidents' friends to make a ridiculous amount of money, plus it would pacify all of you "John Lennon 'give peace a chance'" people. Freeing up that oil (or forcing them to sell it cheaper) would drive oil prices down and hurt an industry that made him a millionaire and individuals that financially supported his presidency. What kind of a president would go against lining the pockets of his backers and instead choose to do what he felt was best for the safety of the American people? The right kind.


Posted By: Jenni Parker

Posted On: Mar 24, 2003
Views: 1592
RE: Oil

do you think your cute? using the name Min Power? Max Powers is so much cooler. come on... war time is no time to be cute. its time for sharing gifts and beng th loved ones.. wait thats Christmas.. s h i t!


Posted By: Rich

Posted On: Mar 24, 2003
Views: 1585
RE: Oil

Part of being a citizen in the U.S.A is the fact that you are allowed to protest and voice an opinion different from the government.... with that being said, I understood people protesting the possibility of a war with iraq before it started, when people were trying to stop it from happening. But it really disturbs me to see these people still out protesting after the decision has been made, and the protesting isn't going to change anything except divide the country and give saddam hope... is that what u want? Maybe we'll listen to you and we'll pull our troops out of iraq and let saddam have his chemical weapons to unleash on us in the years to come... Let the world view us as weak and vunerable so other terrorists will be tempted. Or how about all the people against the war keep their mouths shut and try to support your country's actions. Its your country, you live here, you should support it. Sometimes you should stand by your country, whether you believe in what they are doing or not.
God Bless America.........


Posted By: Chuck Rose

Posted On: Mar 25, 2003
Views: 1578
RE: Oil

Amen, Rich. Amen. I have one additional comment. Everyone in this country has freedom of speech and the freedom to demonstrate. However, yelling fire in a crowded theatre is not covered by the rules of free speech because it puts other people in danger. Is this any different than when these 'peaceful' rallies turn violent (how is it that pacifists so easily resort to violence, anyway?) they endanger other citizens. Obviously, anyone in the immediate vicinity, including law enforcement, is in danger, but in addition to that, these rallies are occupying the time of many law enforcement agents which can only make the rest of that city a little less safe.


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