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Posted By: Bellus

Posted On: Jul 10, 2006
Views: 520
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

Dragonmaster, don't listen to the loon. Nuts and seeds are actually high in fat and calories. Peanuts have 165 calories in 1 ounce putting them on par with a Hershey bar (260 @ 1.55 oz). Stick with the good advice you have received here and ignore any of the vegetarian stuff. It is not healthy and you will not stick with it even if it was.


Posted By: The Almighty Doer of Stuff

Posted On: Jul 10, 2006
Views: 512
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

I have a vegan friend who is fat, in fact. It's all about calorie intake vs. calorie usage and fiber intake.

I lost 25 pounds in two weeks with the Weight Watchers' Core diet, without even exercising (although I guess that's rather odd - for most people it's slower). The good thing about Weight Watchers is it teaches you how to eat well. You don't even have to go to the meetings. I just glanced over the introduction booklet and the books of point values for various foods.

For instance, don't eat until you're full - just until you're satisfied. I used to fill my bowl with cereal and 2% milk and eat it for breakfast. I cut it down to only one cup of cereal with skim milk (it doesn't really matter whether it's skim or whole when it's in cereal, since you're mainly tasting the cereal anyway) and found that I was actually fine until lunch anyway. When you first start eating less, your stomach will hurt, because it's used to holding and digesting large amounts of food. Over time, however, your stomach will shrink down to normal size, and the smaller portions will satisfy you.

Another tip is to not only count your calories, but your fiber as well. High fiber can counteract higher calories. Cheerios, even though they are low in fat and are "whole grain", do not contain much fiber. I eat whole grain shredded wheat, which although it's not low in calories, is high in fiber. A lot of people think it's gross, but I like it. Even if you don't like most shredded wheat, Kashi makes Autumn Wheat and Cinnamon Harvest shredded wheat, which is nutritionally just as good as regular shredded wheat, but it tastes sugary (even though it's not) and it's really good (unlike that Good Friends **** they also make). Another thing to do is to try replacing flour breads and macaroni with whole grain breads and macaroni, which are higher in fiber. It's actually pretty good, and it's much better than fat-free white bread, even when it's low-fat whole grain bread. Once I tasted whole grain bread I've never gone back to white bread.

Of course, don't eat so much fiber that you get diarrhea. That's just as bad, because then you get no nutrition.


Posted By: Dragonmaster

Posted On: Jul 11, 2006
Views: 507
RE: RE: Eat Goat Cheese

Bellus, Not to come up with excuses, but I gained most of it when I was living in Fayetteville and everyday I was out in the woods on my mountain bike. I was on it so much that I quit high school that year. (btw, we moved back to where I grew up in Sophia and I talked the school into letting me back in cause I ****ed up, and graduated the next year) My guess is a Thyroid problem or something, but my tests came back borderline, so the doc. isn't going to give me pills to fix it. (that would be to easy, right?) Anyway, thanks for the site.

Syrgot, I was thinking WTF? too.

vanessa, I tried a ****aki(SP?, it's the big assed one) with BBQ for the 4th, grilled and everything. It sucked ass compared to my regular BBQ. Some of the Boca stuff is ok, like the imitation taco meat. But everything else tastes like wet cardboard. I eat a lot of nuts, fruits, and veg. all the time anyway. (you know, we humans are omnivorous, even if you arent) I think it's just the soda, chips, and eating out that got me.
I think of myself as open minded. I'm ok with just about anything as long as it doesn't hurt anybody. I eat meat, but I'm cool with people that don't. To each his/her own. I have the problem when people say some **** like "it's gods will" or some bull****. Thats more bull**** than when I made up that NASA crap. You are responsible for your own actions, not god or **** like "the devil made me do it"

Bellus, your right, **** this diet. I'll just cut out all chips, soda, and extra **** I eat. I'll go light on everything (quit stuffing my face) and keep exercising like I have been the last few weeks. (bike trainer about an hour every day) I'll check out the site to.

The Almighty Doer of Stuff, thats a problem for me, I'm NEVER full or satisfied. I eat till the bag of chips is gone. I'm like a pit. I'll switch to whole grain shredded wheat though, here's a thought, how about Grape nuts? I love that stuff with a little honey on top. Here's some TMI, but I have diarrhea all the time, IBS the doctor calls it. I don't eat much bread, I cant smell so I cant taste some things, white bread for me is like eating water.

Thanks guys. Great advice. Sorry I made this so long. I need some advice on a girl, but I'll hold off for a few days to see if it blows over. (yea me, how about that? :-), well now you guys know my motivation)


Posted By: Bellus

Posted On: Jul 11, 2006
Views: 504
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

You can mountain bike all the time but if you are eating more than you burn (which you have hinted you do with your junk food diet and bottomless pit appetite) you will still gain weight. If your thyroid tests were borderline, it is probably not a thyroid issue. Even so, there are specific diets plans designed to deal with a thyroid imbalance and 'reprogramming' it. It seems to be human nature to want to blame something else but that isn't going to help anything. Just assume it is your own fault and then you can do something about it. Yes, you can bet it is the chips, soda, and eating out. Chips are about 260 calories for a tiny little bag. Soda is about 150 calories for a 12 ounce can. Fast food, well it depends what you have but you can easily hit over 1000 calories for a meal. If you are drinking a couple cans of soda, a big bag of chips, and Burger King every day, along with two other meals you are going to be over. There are 3500 calories in a pound of body fat. It doesn't take a lot of overeating each day to pack on the pounds.


Posted By: Dragonmaster

Posted On: Jul 11, 2006
Views: 494
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

I know, your right. Thanks for the links.


Posted By: Dragonmaster

Posted On: Jul 11, 2006
Views: 490
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

Never mind about the girl advice, it's all good again.


Posted By: Glynnis O

Posted On: Jul 11, 2006
Views: 489
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

Vegan foods really do taste like crap. They say you can still get protein from vegan meals, but that's only if you eat an ass load of soy nuts each day, otherwise, it's a no go. Animal protein is the best for you, and it really helps in losing weight. Vanessa- If you're so concerned about meat eating not being healthy for you, why don't you go after wolves and such- they eat meat 24/7, and they're perfectly healthy, and I assure you, they're not animal apologists.

Vanessa, how do you feel about cruelty-free and hormone-free and naturally low fat/cholesterol products? Just curious.


Posted By: Bellus

Posted On: Jul 11, 2006
Views: 487
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

Wolves and other carnivores metabolize their food differently than humans. A vegetable diet for a dog would be a bad idea. They require fats the way humans require carbohydrates. Humans need animal proteins because the ones in plants aren't compatible with our system. We can't use most of them. Yea, there are some that are usable but for the most part they are a half-assed substitute. Nothing works like animal proteins.


Posted By: vanessa

Posted On: Jul 11, 2006
Views: 481
RE: RE: Eat Goat Cheese

I will tell you my view on this whole vegan thing so you can stop stereotyping me. I don't eat processed foods. I don't fatten myself up with vegan potato chips and other crap like that, and I hate the concept of eating fake meat. I eat fruits, vegetables, mushrooms, seeds, nuts, etc... basically anything you can pick up and eat immediately (besides corn and some other veggies). You probably don't care but I thought I'd let you know I'm not in a position to defend a typical vegan on certain issues.

There are plenty of good non-meat protein sources that provide many other valuable nutrients as well. The fact is, meat is a luxury item, a non-essential food. Try replacing it with a different protein source for a week, you will realize it is unnecessary.


Posted By: Bellus

Posted On: Jul 11, 2006
Views: 476
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More bad advise there, Dragonmaster. You can replace your diet with anything for a week and you will be fine. Eat nothing but those $.99 noodle packs for a month and you will still live. Going off meat for a week will prove nothing. Animal proteins are not a luxury item. They are a far healthier way of getting what you need. This position is supported by most every nutritionist that is not skewed by ideology. Boneless skinless chicken breast is great. Low in fat and high in protein plus it tastes better than any alternative protein source when cooked right any day of the week.

Basically the moral is do not base your diet on any crazy fad be it Atkins or vegan. Stick with the generally accepted ways of eating and do it in moderation with exercise.


Posted By: vanessa

Posted On: Jul 11, 2006
Views: 472
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

Yes, eat nothing but those noodle packs for a month and you will feel sick everyday. Your body will tell you when something is missing in a fairly short amount of time.

Generally accepted ways of eating means you will continue to remain obese like the 62% of Americans.


Posted By: Bellus

Posted On: Jul 12, 2006
Views: 469
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That is incorrect as well. The body is very adaptable to different diets. There is a guy that has eaten nothing but big macs for many years and he is not close to being sick. There are tribes in north Africa that are forced to live mostly off of something they call forest cabbage that is very low in nutrients and they survive in very harsh conditions. If a change in your diet causes you to get sick after a week or even a month either you have a food allergy or a blood sugar problem.

62% of Americans are obese not because they follow accepted ways of proper eating but because they don't. I don't think there are many nutritionists or doctors that recommend eating huge portions and washing it down with 32 ounces of soda while living a sedentary life. It still boils down to calories in vs. calories out.


Posted By: vanessa

Posted On: Jul 12, 2006
Views: 462
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

Well, if there are tribes in Africa that can survive on nothing but forest cabbage in harsh conditions, then the average American should have no problem at all adapting to a highly nutritious vegan diet.


Posted By: Bellus

Posted On: Jul 12, 2006
Views: 458
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

Wow, did you ever miss the point. I thought I explained it clear. Yes, they do eat mostly forest cabbage but it is not by choice. They would much prefer grains and meat, which they do eat on rare occasions when they are able to purchase them. People can adapt to an all meat diet or an all vegetable diet but this is neither here nor there. The sensible diet is one with both meats and vegetables. Going to one extreme or the other is not a healthy choice. There will always be a few people screaming that the world is flat but that doesn't really change anything. The large majority of people should and will continue to eat an omnivorous diet.


Posted By: vanessa

Posted On: Jul 12, 2006
Views: 516
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

A vegan diet isn't really that extreme. It only requires some minor adjustments to what nutritionists commonly consider a healthy diet. The only people who would have a major problem adjusting are those wolfing down double whoppers and other meat items so commonly associated with bad health and obesity. I would say a fast food diet is far more extreme than a vegan diet.


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