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Posted By: vanessa

Posted On: Jul 12, 2006
Views: 519
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

^ "meat items" - I should say non-vegan items


Posted By: Bellus

Posted On: Jul 12, 2006
Views: 514
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

Again, this is very incorrect information. You wrongly assume there is a relationship between non-vegan items and obesity or health problems. Meat itself is not unhealthy. Bad meat is. For instance, a serving of regular hamburger is about 260 calories with half coming from fat. The same serving of lean ground beef is 160 with only 25% coming from fat. For comparison, a serving of sunflower seeds is 160 calories with 75% coming from fat. A 25% fat content is ideal for most people but if you need to get lower you can go with chicken breast tenderloins (100 calories, 10% from fat) or Bison (143 calories, 15% from fat). Also, fast food is not comprised of only burgers. A lot of what would be considered fast food is not a meat product. Taco salads, fries, blooming onions, nachos with bean dipÂ…they are all items that contain equal or more fat and calories than a burger. A quarter pounder with cheese has 510 calories, 220 from fat and the supersized fries have 570 calories, 270 from fat.

Finland is an excellent example of the proper way for a society to change their diets. In 30 years they went from holding the record for heart disease to becoming one of the healthiest and a model several other nations are trying to emulate. They didn't become vegetarians. They had a countrywide push to become physically active, stop smoking, increase their diet range to include fruits and vegetables along with their meats. They also set up a system rewarding livestock producers for increasing protein content in their animals, producing healthier milk, and growing better oilseeds . They used a common sense approach and it worked. It was not the meat in their diet, it was everything in their diet and their lack of activity that was the problem.

A vegan diet to you may not seem extreme because you are one but it is an extreme diet none the less. There are an equal number of people that eat nothing but fast food that would say their diet is fine as well. One could easily say that the population could learn to adjust to a non-vegetable diet and the only ones having a problem would be the people that refuse to eat meat. Those types of statements are just a matter of personal opinion and ideology but really have no basis for objective scientific fact.


Posted By: vanessa

Posted On: Jul 13, 2006
Views: 507
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

**** off


Posted By: vanessa

Posted On: Jul 13, 2006
Views: 499
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

^ not me again, obviously.

You've provided facts on the detrimental health effects of a diet high in meat content, now provide one as convincing for a vegan diet. The truth is a vegan diet is healthy and the absence of meat hardly makes a difference. If, in addition to health concerns, you have a problem with animals being tortured and fed waste products and pumped up with drugs and stuck in a small cage their whole lives, then you might just want to try a vegan diet. It's not as loony as the media would have you believe and PETA does not represent all of us.


Posted By: Bellus

Posted On: Jul 13, 2006
Views: 496
RE: RE: Eat Goat Cheese

Sorry but you will need to reread my information. I provided facts that meat is not detrimental in a diet when consumed in moderation. That would be true of anything. Water taken in large enough doses is dangerous. The facts are that the best diet is made up of both meats and vegetables.

The vegan diet, like one without vegetables, is not without problems. Vegans risk high deficiencies in vitamin D, B12, zinc, calcium, and iron. Supplements are not as effective as their natural counterparts and objective studies show that a high percentage of people on vegan based diets maintain a high deficiency even on supplements. The most serious of these is the shortage of B12, which is crucial for neurological development and function. There are published cases of infants having neurological damage caused by a B12 deficiency from their mother's vegan diet. The damage resulted in permanent and serious retardation of cognitive and language skills. Long term vegans also commonly report the following medical issues - unable to nurse their babies, slow metabolic rate, impotency, dental issues, low body temperature, digestion problems, amenorrhea, joint pains, and loss of libido.

The vegan lifestyle is more a psychological issue and not a diet one so I will not comment on that part of it. I will say that fruits and vegetables are also a risk for chemicals, ground and air toxins, DNA modifications, and irradiation. This is not limited to animal products.


Posted By: ADoS

Posted On: Jul 14, 2006
Views: 486
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

Canines are omnivorous. Cats would have been a better example.

At any rate, Vanessa is a dumbass, Jamesmaster is a dumbass, and Bellus is right.


Posted By: Sarah

Posted On: Jul 14, 2006
Views: 482
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

I would do the chunk dance for $5.



"Hey genius...you can't recognize a troll when you read one. It is just some tard pretending to be another tard just to try and start ****. You should have just ignored it like everyone else. I think as punishment you should have to do the chunk dance from goonies."


Posted By: Bellus

Posted On: Jul 14, 2006
Views: 480
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

Actually, canines are classified as carnivores. There is a myth that they are omnivorous but their physiology doesn't support it. For example, their saliva doesn't contain amylase, an enzyme used to start the breakdown of starches and carbohydrates. Their pancreas must produce extra large quantities of it when plant foods are present, straining the system. Their stomach and intestines are fast moving and laid out in a manner suited for digesting large quantities of meat. This does not allow time for plant cellulose breakdown, which is why dogs that eat a bunch of grass also **** a bunch of grass. They also don't have the proper bacteria to break down plant matter. At best, they are only able to digest and get nutrients from 50% of the plant matter.


Posted By: Fargo

Posted On: Jul 14, 2006
Views: 476
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

They eat the grass to help digest you dumb shit.


Posted By: Dog

Posted On: Jul 14, 2006
Views: 474
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

Like birds eat rocks for the same reason? ****hole.


Posted By: Bellus

Posted On: Jul 14, 2006
Views: 469
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

Grass most definitely does not aid their digestion. There is nothing in grass that is of benefit to a dogs digestive system. They get virtually no nutrition from it and most of it passes right through. Why dogs eat grass is unknown and the claimed 'known' reasons are unproven.


Posted By: Fargo

Posted On: Jul 14, 2006
Views: 467
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

Yes there is. It helps to loosen up the stool. Man are you an idiot.


Posted By: Bellus

Posted On: Jul 14, 2006
Views: 464
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

Sorry, but that is incorrect. There is no proof to support your claim.


Posted By: vanessa

Posted On: Jul 14, 2006
Views: 462
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

yeah, you dumbass.


Posted By: Fargo

Posted On: Jul 15, 2006
Views: 470
RE: Eat Goat Cheese

Sorry, but yes there is. I've had dogs my whole life. I know what they eat. I pick up their shit everyday. I know when they're constipated. I don't need someone with an eight year degree telling me how the world is and isn't and and I don't need you churning out their bullshit like a fucking bookworm. Shut the fuck up.


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