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| Posted By: field day Posted On: May 28, 2004 Views: 296 | RE: Big Bang? Quote: "I would be delighted if a new theory came along that overturned any existing theory, it would mean progress." Yes, it would indeed. The big bang hypothesis, evolutionary theory, etc have clearly not yet been proven and it is therefore important for all the alternatives to be discussed with an open mind. No doubt you understand this. If therefore, I happen to find legitimate evidence somewhere that one or more of its (BBT, evolution,..) founding assumptions may be wrong, you cannot scientifically reject a plausible interpretation of that evidence on faith in the Big Bang theory, nor can you automatically assume current understanding completely (or at all) applies to that evidence. You also cannot claim that I won't find such evidence if I dig deep and hard enough, or if indeed ignorance plays a role. That is my point. That is what I mean by conformatory biase. If people have to undermine public respect of and confidence in the scientific establishment to get to the truth of it all, then that is a demonstration of the depth of the problem, and part of the reason why people have to attitudes they do. If a physics student challenges his teacher in front the whole class and eventually proves him wrong, what impression would that give of the student? Bright or disrespectful? I'd say bright with potential! Quote: "There is absolutely no evidence that any of today's theories are wrong." That is an opinion. Goodbye. |
| Posted By: Zoogies! Posted On: May 28, 2004 Views: 294 | RE: Big Bang? I fail to see how the statement that there is no evidence that undermines the big bang theory is an opinion - that abortion is wrong, would be an opinion, but that is now. Evidence either exists or it does not. Keith has said it does not - it's up to you to prove that it does exist. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 28, 2004 Views: 292 | RE: Big Bang? Zoogies is right field day. It is not my personal opinion that no error has been found with either the BBT or Relativity, it is a hard, indisputable, scientific fact. You say: "You also cannot claim that I won't find such evidence if I dig deep and hard enough, or if indeed ignorance plays a role." So this is good reason to claim, as you keep on doing, that the theories are wrong? It is of course impossible for me to predict what may happen in the future, so I am forced to rely on the here and now, common sense, empirical science and logic, not on personal prejudice and ridiculous claims, such as "I know that Relativity is wrong". Sure you do. I do not agree that all alternative theories should be viewed with an open mind. If they made sense, then yes, but they don't. I have yet to see one that was NOT written by an idiot. There is a hell of a difference to having an open mind and taking an interest in obvious stupidity. Why don't you just admit that neither you, nor anyone else, has been able to find a single fault with either theory. You also say, and this is the most telling part: "If people have to undermine public respect of and confidence in the scientific establishment to get to the truth of it all....." You still believe that there exists some sort of global conspiracy to conceal the 'truth'. Why you should think this to be the case God only knows, but it does reveal something very fundamentally flawed about your character. It is as sad a case as those who believe in the great conspiracy theory that men did not walk on the moon. Sad people, all of you, very sad. Why don't you just face reality and join the real world? What is it with you conspiracy nuts? |
| Posted By: Achilles Hell Posted On: May 29, 2004 Views: 283 | RE: Big Bang? |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 29, 2004 Views: 281 | RE: Big Bang? Wow! What a long posting! Let me first assure you that I have read it all. You say that: "is that the manipulation of space and time is, in itself, invalid as means by which to analyse and understand the world." Very interesting I'm sure, but I have no idea who claims to be manipulating space and time. Dr. Who perhaps? Uri Gellar? Spock? You follow this up with the equally perplexing remark that: " space and time cannot exist as physical objects in their own right." What on earth do you mean? Space and time do not exist? What is our galaxy existing in then, if not space and time? Custard? Please explain what the universe is exactly if space and time do not exist. On second thoughts, I'd rather you didn't bother, Just join the other fruitcakes and have a nice little chat amongst yourselves. PS I looked at the website you suggest. I am a little confused by it. Is it meant to be a joke or are we all supposed to pretend to be fruitcakes and be amazed at its scientific insights? I have read more sense in a Kiddies comic. If you think it makes sense, then that explains your posting. |
| Posted By: Achilles Hell Posted On: May 29, 2004 Views: 274 | RE: Big Bang? |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 30, 2004 Views: 272 | RE: Big Bang? Thanks for your wonderful posting! So time does not exist. Space does not exist. locations do not exist. Thanks for sharing that with us. It all makes perfect sense now. Now that you have definitely proved that both Relativity and the BBT are both idiotic in what they suggest, can you please share with us the real truth on how the universe began and why it is expanding. Can you also, while you are at it, give us the truth about gravity, light speed and time, that has been so wrongly portrayed by Relativity? Thanks a bunch. |
| Posted By: Darth Vader Posted On: May 30, 2004 Views: 268 | RE: Big Bang? Quote: "So time does not exist. Space does not exist. locations do not exist." Quote: "...can you please share with us the real truth on how the universe began and why it is expanding." You know, Keith, you really are an ignorant prick! |
| Posted By: Cosmic Catastrophe Posted On: May 30, 2004 Views: 262 | RE: Big Bang? Sounds interesting folks |
| Posted By: Tez Posted On: May 30, 2004 Views: 261 | RE: Big Bang? Bit harsh Darth Vader? wheres your proof? |
| Posted By: Darth Vader Posted On: May 30, 2004 Views: 255 | RE: Big Bang? |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 30, 2004 Views: 253 | RE: Big Bang? |
| Posted By: Darth Vader Posted On: May 31, 2004 Views: 250 | RE: Big Bang? Before I answer anything, just make a note that I don't hold anything against you. I believe you're ignorant because you're biased. That's it! We're all biased to some extent and our circumstances beyond our control. But I've very good reasons for not believing in the BBT, as I have pointed out some for you. |
| Posted By: Darth Vader Posted On: May 31, 2004 Views: 248 | RE: Big Bang? Quote: "And your answer is.............?" Fair enough. My answer is the universe is ageless and not expanding. Quote: "And your answer is.............?" I believe gravity to be an electrostatic dipolar force that is a manifestation of electromagnetism. "And your answer is.............?" The universe has an electromagnetic potential and is constantly going through non-expanding change due to the occurrence of events. "So your answer to space being nothing is..........?" Exactly that. That things travel through space is an arbitration. I'll you leave because I can see this is not going to get us nowhere. Best of luck. I don't expect you to understand, nor you I, either way. |
| Posted By: Darth Vader Posted On: May 31, 2004 Views: 363 | RE: Big Bang? I now recognise that my points were bordering on philosophical, and that science requires the existence of space. Error in judgement. |
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