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Posted By: junior

Posted On: Oct 26, 2005
Views: 1282
idiotic design

all right this is off-topic but I had to get this off my chest... this debate over evolution VS. intelligent design IS THE MOST RETARDED THING I HAVE EVER HEARD OF!!! And seemingly intelligent well-known people are actually questioning evolution, that's the really scary part of all this.


Posted By: asdasdasd

Posted On: Oct 26, 2005
Views: 1279
RE: idiotic design

I'll admit, I'm not an expert on evolution, and while it makes sense and there's alot of data to back it up, it's still only a theory, and we can never observe it happening since it happens on a scale of millions of years.


Posted By: Norman

Posted On: Oct 26, 2005
Views: 1278
RE: idiotic design

Do you even know what evolution is, and I don't mean a one line overview but Darwin's actual theory? When you learn that and compare it to the intelligent design theory you can then call people idiots. Until then you are just a sheep. Bahhhh Bah Bahhhhh.


Posted By: asdafasd

Posted On: Oct 26, 2005
Views: 1274
RE: idiotic design

Were you talking to me?
I know as much as my highschool Biology textbook, which dedicates about 150 pages to evolution and related subjects, and information gleaned from a few websites.

I'm not an expert, and I haven't read many books on the subject, but I think I know enough to understand what the theory of evolution is.


Posted By: Norman

Posted On: Oct 26, 2005
Views: 1272
RE: idiotic design

Did you call anyone an idiot? Reread posts 1 and 3.



Posted By: Norman

Posted On: Oct 26, 2005
Views: 1270
RE: idiotic design

My mistake. The correct term was 'retarded'


Posted By: asdasd

Posted On: Oct 26, 2005
Views: 1268
RE: idiotic design

Is there any proof of Intelligent Design?

I've heard some people argue that the eye is too complex to have just been developed over years of evolution, but I've also heard people say that it is possible. Each side seems to have a somewhat convincing arguement, and has facts to support them.

Is there anything else that lends weight to the Intelligent Design theory?


Posted By: Norman

Posted On: Oct 26, 2005
Views: 1265
RE: idiotic design

There is no proof of either they are just theory. Knowing only a tiny fraction of the daily workings of the human body does bring into question the idea that this stuff happened by accident.

The problem with evolution and most theory is it isn't taught as a theory but as an absolute fact and then it is believed without question.


Posted By: James

Posted On: Oct 26, 2005
Views: 1264
RE: idiotic design

Look out into the stars at night, look around you, do you really think all of this came from one big explosion from one thing microscopic in size without some sort of intervention? Don't toss out either argument just because you cant understand it. Both are right.


Posted By: Norman

Posted On: Oct 26, 2005
Views: 1260
RE: idiotic design

Or neither are right. There are things like quantum physics, the string theory, and the 12th dimension that your average huckleberry could not understand if they spent their entire life studying it. Theories like evolution are better for them because it requires no real thought. Kind of like telling kids that babies come from storks.


Posted By: dfsdfsdf

Posted On: Oct 26, 2005
Views: 1258
RE: idiotic design

What do you think, Norman? Please, enlighten us "average huckleberries".


Posted By: James

Posted On: Oct 26, 2005
Views: 1256
RE: idiotic design

Yes please, tell us. What is this thing that changes things that is neither divine nor evolution.


Posted By: asdasdasd

Posted On: Oct 26, 2005
Views: 1250
RE: idiotic design

Norman's said alot, without really saying anything other than the ambiguous(sp) "Their both wrong, you huckleberries."

I'm not saying that the theories of evolution or the big bang are completely free of kinks(the latter of which I think is complete bullspit, of course, I'm not a scientist), but they make the most sense and are backe by the most proof, to my knowledge.

Following is a quote from Douglas Adams, the acclaimed author and a self-described "radical atheist", in response to the question, "Is there an artificial God?" It's very interesting.

"Where does the idea of God come from? Well, I think we have a very skewed point of view on an awful lot of things, but let's try to see where our point of view comes from. Imagin early man. Early man is, like everything else, and evolved creature an he finds himself in a world that he's begun to take a little charge of; he begun to be a tool maker, a changer of the environment with the tools he's made, and he makes tools, when he does, in order to make changes in his environment. To give an example of the way man operates compared to other animals, consider speciation, which, as we know, tends to occur when a small group of animals gets seperated from the rest of the herd by some geological upheaval, population pressure, food shortage, or whatever, and find itself in a new environment with maybe something different going on. Take a very simple example; maybe a bunch of animals suddenly finds itself in an environment where the weather is rather colder. We know that we know that in a few generations those genes that favor a thicker coat will have come to fore and we'll come and we'll find that the animals have thicker coats. Early man, who's a toolmaker, doesn't have to do this: he can inhabit an extraordinarily wide variety of habitats on earth, from tundra to the Gobi Desert-he even manages to live in New York, for heaven's sake- and the reason is that when he arrives in a new environment he doesn't have to wait for several generations; if he arrives in a colder environment and sees an animal thathas those genes that favor a thicker coat, he says,"I'll have it off him." Tools have enabled us to think intentionally, to make things and to do things and to create a world that fits us better. Now imagine and early man surveying his surroundings at the end of a happy day's toolmaking. He looks around and sees a world that pleases him mightily; behind him are mountains with caves in them-mountains are great because you can go and hide in the caves and you are out of the rain and the bears can't get you; in fron t of him there's the forest-it's got nuts and berries and delicious food; there's a stream going by, which is full of water-water's delicious to drink, you can float your boats in it and do all sorts of stuff with it; here's cousin Ug and he's caught a mammoth- mammoths are great, you can eat them, you can wear their coats, you can use their bones to make weapons to catch other mammoths. I mean this a great world, it's fantastic. But our early man has a moment to reflect and thinks to himself, "Well, this is ab interesting world that I find myself in," and then he asks himself a very treacherous question, a question that is totally meaningless and fallacious, but only comes about because of the naure of the sort of person he is, the sort of person he has evolved into, and the sort of person who has thrived because he thinks this particular way. Man the maker looks at his world and thinks, "So who made this, then?" Who made this?- you can see why it's a treacherous question. Early man thinks, "Well, because there's only one sort of being I know about who makes things, whoever made this must therefor be a much bigger, much more powerful and necessarily invisible, on of me, and because I tend to be the strong one who does all the stuff, he's probably male." So we have the idea of a God. Then, because when we make things, we do it with the intention of doing something with them, early man asks himself, "If he made it,what did he make it for?" Now the real trap springs, because early man is thinking, "This world fits me very well. Here are all these things that support me and feed me and look after me; yes, this world fits me nicely," and he reaches the inescapable conclusion that whoever made it, mad it for him.

This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, "This is an interesting world I find myself in- and interesting hole I find myself in- fits me rather nicely, doesn't it? In fact, it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!" This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller, its still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be all right, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise."


Posted By: James

Posted On: Oct 26, 2005
Views: 1243
RE: idiotic design

Ok, I'm gonna go get high before I read that. I'm not putting it off, but I have a headache now.


Posted By: Norman

Posted On: Oct 26, 2005
Views: 1237
RE: idiotic design

This is OddTodd, not advanced physics. Enlighten yourselves.

Man as a race is stupid and doesn't know a tiny fraction of what there is to know about existence. Any theory would be a grasp at straws really. Ptolemy's Universe barely reached the sun. Sounds silly but it was the 'truth' for 1500 years. Our truth, no doubt, is just as silly.

"There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another which states that this has already happened." - Douglas Adams


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