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| Posted By: Carl Rofe Posted On: Feb 5, 2003 Views: 917 | RE: No infinities Hi Sherri, Maybe make a new topic about the concepts of realities. I guess it's sometimes a bit difficult to stay on topic, because you may want to cover all grounds possible. I should have put the thoughts on reality somewhere else anyway. |
| Posted By: Sherri Posted On: Feb 5, 2003 Views: 913 | RE: No infinities Thank you Carl, but I am quite content with the context of this forum, I don't think I strayed too far off topic. This discussion poses a question of two concepts, what is "real" and what is "infinite". Keith proposes to exclude the observer from this concept, I simply have trouble doing that. Sincerely, Sherri |
| Posted By: Carl Rofe Posted On: Feb 6, 2003 Views: 911 | RE: RE: No infinities Same here. Just trying to understand how something could be infinite is a hard one. It's like creating energy forever in a single instant. It's not a quantity of something, because it's not finite. It cant perceivably exist in such a way. On the other hard, we simply may not be able to comprehend such a concept because of the environment we are use to experiencing in everyday life. When you took out into space at night, it sometimes has that feeling of getting under yound skin. A kind of feeling like it's not meant to be completely understood. Like it's meant to be beyond us in some way. I mean, how can we known what such a limit maybe if we aren't meant to have the ability to reach it. That limit of understanding may be the infinite point. The one you can never get close to. You never stop learning, right!? Is there a limit a how much you can learn? I believe not: You can't know everything about everything. |
| Posted By: Jack McNally Posted On: Apr 6, 2003 Views: 891 | RE: No infinities Infinity is not an existence per se, it is an abstract concept which defies logical interpretation. It is not contrary to logic, but lies beyond its domain because it is not defined - and logic requires definition. It is not easy to fathom that although there is a finite distance between every two points in the Universe, there is no furthest point; and the very fact no point of infinity exists serves only to validate the concept. |
| Posted By: Pauk Posted On: Apr 13, 2003 Views: 886 | RE: No infinities Here's a speculation: 1) IF it is true that matter can be broken down into smaller and smaller incriments (compound, molecule, atom, sub-atomic particle, quarks, etc.), then it is possible that this break down is infinite. 2) Thus, infinity may exist in the Universe, and may also have applications elsewhere in the Universe besides in the composition of matter. 3) If infinity exists in the Universe, then it is possible that the age of the Universe is infinite;it has no point of creation (and more importantly, no Creator), and just recycles itself through a series of Big Bangs and Big Crunches. Either that or the Universe simply doesn't exist. |
| Posted By: Sherri Posted On: Apr 14, 2003 Views: 883 | RE: No infinities Great thoughts. And so it continues to boil down. The only thing that really *matters* is what we *think*. Sincerely, Sherri |
| Posted By: sherri Posted On: Apr 14, 2003 Views: 882 | RE: No infinities I dare any one of you to define "thought". Mathematically, please.. would like to see some equations to bring it into focus. Lol, the *real* infinity.... " I think, therefore I think" Brilliant. Sincerely, Sherri |
| Posted By: Jack Posted On: Apr 14, 2003 Views: 881 | RE: RE: No infinities Sherri wrote >Subject: RE: No infinities >I dare any one of you to define "thought". >Mathematically, please.. would like to see some >equations to bring it into focus. >Lol, the *real* infinity.... >" I think, therefore I think" >Brilliant. >Sincerely, Sherri Sherri - how can you expect one to define a QUALitative value in QUANtitative terms? Mathematics is fine, but it is quantitative logic, not qualitative |
| Posted By: Sherri Posted On: Apr 14, 2003 Views: 878 | RE: No infinities I don't know how to define QUALitative value in QUANtitative terms. How does one define QUANtitative terms without QUALitative value? |
| Posted By: Jack Posted On: Apr 14, 2003 Views: 878 | OOOPS Hit the UNsubscribe link. Just posting to REsubscribe. 'Scuse me. |
| Posted By: Jack Posted On: Apr 14, 2003 Views: 875 | RE: No infinities Posted By: Sherri Posted On: Apr 14th 2003 11:44:27 AM Subject: RE: No infinities I don't know how to define QUALitative value in QUANtitative terms. How does one define QUANtitative terms without QUALitative value? The term 1(one) is an abstract - a quantity relating to no quality One APPLE, is a quantity relating to a quality. One will never vary - it will always be 'one', but the Apple may be grannysmith, delicious. It may or not include the stem in the definition. QUALitative analysis is not as exact as QUANtitative analysis. |
| Posted By: Sherri Posted On: Apr 14, 2003 Views: 872 | RE: No infinities Jack: The term 1(one) is an abstract - a quantity relating to no quality Sherri: Thank you, and so being abstract one must have a "thought" of its measurement or value and we are again in the realm of reason, of which quantitative logic is a delightful experience. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Apr 14, 2003 Views: 866 | RE: No infinities Hi Sherri, You asked for a mathematical equation to define thought. Okay. I think I can visualise an equation that will do that. Keith |
| Posted By: Sherri Posted On: Apr 14, 2003 Views: 861 | RE: No infinities Thank you Keith! You certainly have my attention, this will be interesting. Sincerely, Sherri |
| Posted By: C. R Posted On: Apr 17, 2003 Views: 852 | RE: No infinities The aim of the following is solely in the hope that some may understand these points as I do, nothing else. Without speculating on what reality actually is, I am going to make the very big assumption that it exists. No speculation! Now -the infinite is boundless in all interpretations, agreed? -in my view energy is everything: the universe. It can take forms we know and can perceive, and the direct opposite of that! -if infinity is unverifiable via the senses and science depends on them in order to verify and discover scientific "truths", then belief in the possible application of infinity in reality can't be based upon science. -use of what we think of as science in a discussion of infinity goes no where. ->it remains and always will remain scientifically unprovable when conceptually applied to the universe or the "infinitely" small. -finaly note: the fallacious concept of dimensionality is the result of the existence of existence, and not the other way around. (N.B. assumption of dimensionality automatically means assumption of the infinite). Infinity is not realistically applicable to reality, as reality, being the sum of all energies, must be finite. Even if reality doesn't exist (hEllo???); (the non-existence of the existence) of existence. This is my opinion and not fact! |
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