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| Posted By: liquor before beer. Posted On: Mar 16, 2004 Views: 771 | RE: tobacco Do you honestly belive that 600+ ingredients are used to "glue" the cigarette together? I'm not sure if you're naive, stupid or both. Those chemicals enhance the addicting effect. Nicotine is powerful in of itself. Nicotine plus a few hundred additives makes for one potent cocktail. Enough to get millions of people addicted quickly, and into the stores to buy a pack of Marlboros. |
| Posted By: Nik Ashmost Posted On: Mar 16, 2004 Views: 768 | RE: tobacco While I agree that there are additives in the tobacco to enhance it's flavor, addictiveness, smoothness, etc...(hey sounds like a Nestle cookie or an Oreo) 600 sounds awfully high. Please list these 600 chemicals added. Because if you're certain it's 600+ than you can certainly list all 600 that you know. Yes? Still waiting to hear how the tobacco industry is "corrupt" btw. |
| Posted By: liquor before beer Posted On: Mar 16, 2004 Views: 766 | RE: tobacco The "list" can be found here: http://quitsmoking.about.com/cs/nicotineinhaler/a/cigingredients.htm If you dont think that a billion dollar industry that sells an addictive product isn't corrupt in some shape or manner, then I dont know what else to tell you. |
| Posted By: Harry Pillcrusher Posted On: Mar 16, 2004 Views: 763 | RE: tobacco There was a media frenzy during the late 1990's about people's addiction to the internet. Maybe they should make some "Truth" commercials about that addiction? How many different kind of cancers does bandwith cause? There are many addictions that are fully sanctionded by federal law and if there truly was a significant risk which correlated with cigarette smoke than the U.S. government would probably prohibit it. What liberty will they take away next? |
| Posted By: Beerliquor Posted On: Mar 16, 2004 Views: 760 | RE: tobacco It is hard to swallow the notion that there are 600 added chemicals in a cigarette. It seems that the cost of producing the 600 chemicals would jack the price up incredibly high. That seems like a load of conspiracy crap. I don't smoke either, so it is not some state of denial that I am in... |
| Posted By: liquor before beer Posted On: Mar 16, 2004 Views: 757 | RE: tobacco cigarettes are cheap? here in NY, they're $7 a pack. regardless, any chemist would tell you most of that stuff is cheap, and its an investment that pays off in an addicted user who physically MUST buy your product. |
| Posted By: beer before liquor Posted On: Mar 16, 2004 Views: 754 | RE: tobacco Harry Pillcrusher, I understand your point....but seriously - do you think the US government could EVER prohibit the complete and total use of cigarettes? Just look at alcohol prohibition in the 20's and all of the problems that caused. As far as your internet example is concerned. Ok, lets say Yahoo, or some other internet company added some secret component to the internet that made you physically incapable of logging off. That no matter how hard you tried, this mysterious program that lurked in the background, that you were never aware of, made you log on constantly. Because of this secret program, you lost your job, your family, health and possessions. Since you were never aware of this secret program that caused you to become addicted to the internet, do you think you are fully responsible for what happened to you? |
| Posted By: Nik Ashmost Posted On: Mar 16, 2004 Views: 752 | RE: tobacco Ok liquor before beer, let's examine this "list" of yours. 1. It's only 599 additives long, not 600+ (nyah nyah!) 2. Do you actually believe all of these things are in every pack of cigarettes? I imagine this is a cumulative list of every possible additive. Including the wierd things used to flavor clove cigarettes. For instance...Do you really believe that all cigarettes contain: Rum, Hops Oil, & Wine? Wouldn't that make it illegal to sell to people under 21? Do you really think all cigarettes have these: Chocolate, Apple Juice Extract, Cinammon Leaf Oil. Come ON!!! Frickin' CHOCOLATE? Molasses? Orange Blossoms Water? Prune Juice?????? Spearmint oil? Vinegar? Yeast?? And let's not forget the most dangerous "additive" listed of all......WATER! I could keep listing the DANGEROUS additives but I think you get my point. Seriously, don't post a link unless you truly are ready to stand behind it. As for, "any billion dollar industry that sells an addictive product is corrupt" comment....By that standard, what industry ISN'T corrupt? |
| Posted By: Nik Ashmost Posted On: Mar 16, 2004 Views: 746 | RE: tobacco So, can gambling addicts sue casinos? Face it, an addiction is simply something you FEEL that you need. Cigarettes are NOT physically addictive. You don't HAVE to keep smoking. Sure it's a pain in the ass to quit, but you can. I imagine there are millions out there who would have just as hard of a time giving up cable television, or the internet, or exercise. Just to name 3 examples. |
| Posted By: liquor before beer Posted On: Mar 16, 2004 Views: 740 | RE: tobacco First of all, where did you get the notion that cigarettes aren't physically addictive? There is zero evidence to support that claim...did you make it up? On the other hand, there are THOUSANDS of studies that show that Nicotine is a HIGHLY addictive drug, both physically and physiologically. You sound like every other cigarette user in DENIAL! Secondly, yes - a gambler COULD have a case against a casino IF the casino created a false environment, or otherwise tricked a gambler into becoming addicted to gambling. You obviously completely missed the point of my examples above. It would be one thing if the tobacco companies sold a pure product....but they dont. They trick people into becoming addicted and that is WRONG. That is the point!! Why do you think they lose all of these lawsuits? Countless juries have agreed with this argument. |
| Posted By: Liquor before beer Posted On: Mar 16, 2004 Views: 739 | RE: tobacco PS - people dont DIE directly from cable television, or the internet, or exercise. Why would you compare cigarette smoking to those things? Apples to oranges buddy. |
| Posted By: Liquor before beer Posted On: Mar 16, 2004 Views: 737 | RE: tobacco LASTLY (at least for tonight - too tired!) "Ok liquor before beer, let's examine this "list" of yours. 1. It's only 599 additives long, not 600+ (nyah nyah!)" PAAALEASE!!! How anal are you....really? :) "2. Do you actually believe all of these things are in every pack of cigarettes? I imagine this is a cumulative list of every possible additive. Including the wierd things used to flavor clove cigarettes." No...it's actually not a cumulative list, but even so - it's an illustration to show just how un-natural a cigarette is, and what you are putting into your body every day. These ingredients are there for one reason - to make you more addicted! "For instance...Do you really believe that all cigarettes contain: Rum, Hops Oil, & Wine? Wouldn't that make it illegal to sell to people under 21?" You're kidding about the under 21 thing, right? "Do you really think all cigarettes have these: Chocolate, Apple Juice Extract, Cinammon Leaf Oil. Come ON!!! Frickin' CHOCOLATE?" Yep - most cigarettes have all of those ingredients. When burned, they enhance the flavor. These ingredients may not be BAD for you, persay...but the combined effect of all is to make you more addicted...get it yet? "Molasses? Orange Blossoms Water? Prune Juice?????? Spearmint oil? Vinegar? Yeast??" See above. That's what's going into your body every time you puff up. "And let's not forget the most dangerous "additive" listed of all......WATER!" Who said it was the most addictive on the list? "I could keep listing the DANGEROUS additives but I think you get my point." You dont have a point. "Seriously, don't post a link unless you truly are ready to stand behind it." Standing behind it now. Perhaps YOU should research first beefore replying! As for, "any billion dollar industry that sells an addictive product is corrupt" comment....By that standard, what industry ISN'T corrupt? Well....give me some examples of companies that sell addictive products? I'm sure I can show that they're corrupt in some way. |
| Posted By: Beerliquor Posted On: Mar 16, 2004 Views: 733 | RE: tobacco Calgon, take me away!!! If cigarettes have all this extra stuff in them, then why don't they have to have an ingredient list on the pack? I'm guessing you could have some different ingredients to make a Marlboro taste like a Marlboro, and a Camel taste like a Camel, but that doesn't seem "corrupt" to me, putting vinegar or chocolate in a cigarette. It does seem fair though that if there really are funk-ay things in them besides tobacco, you have the right to know. The ingredient list is pretty scary on Mountain Dew, but I still buy it because I like it! As for all you guys, it is great to see such passion in your hearts for what ever you believe...great conversation... |
| Posted By: J-town Posted On: Mar 16, 2004 Views: 731 | You guys obviously don't remember ...when the tabacco companies had to testify before Congress that cigarettes weren't addictive, and one exec (from Phillip Morris, I think) stated that cigarettes weren't anymore addictive or harmful than Twinkies. Right. Oh, and there was also the internal files about targeting children. Hence the reason we have no more "Joe Camel". But that was several years ago, and the tabacco industry was forced to clean house. So actually, Nik and Harry have a valid point: there are currently far more corrupt orginizations then the tabacco industry. And truth.com is just as bad as the government sponcered anti-drug ads. They do nothing but blur the truth to serve their cause, and by doing so, hurt their own message. |
| Posted By: Daisy Posted On: Mar 17, 2004 Views: 728 | RE: tobacco I think this can be summed up with a quick Bio lesson. Plants like tobacco, roses, or any other living organism absorb what's in their environment. Good and Bad. So who's to say what the big bad tobacco man adds purposely and what happens to be left in soil from someone or something else? BTW--that "ingredient list" is put up by a company who makes nicotine inhalers--see the link address? Conflict of interest much? I don't want to smoke anymore--but why are so many Americans content with letting the government take our freedoms away bit by bit? No one's telling you to smoke--let the smokers be. Jason Crisp! (obscure SNL reference) |
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