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| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 19, 2005 Views: 1933 | Let's put the record straight Nick, this is for you. You keep referring to my main page where I originally said 'The two main TK stunts are not TK" You argued that my logic was wrong. I argued that it wasn't. My point being that I have demonstrated, and others were able to duplicate by following my instructions, how to rotate a psi wheel and how to rotate a straw without TK. Tkers, on the other hand, have never been able to demonstrate how to do this by using only TK. I therefore have every right to say what I did, that those two stunts are not done by TK. I have every right to continue to say that until and unless someone actually demonstrates that they can do it by TK. I have therefore changed it back to what I originally said. If you are unable to understand the logic of my argument that is your problem, not mine. It's just that I am tired if hearing you say you found fault with my logic. That day will never come. You do not posses the wit, knowledge or intelligence. |
| Posted By: Nick Posted On: May 19, 2005 Views: 1930 | RE: Let's put the record straight >Tkers, on the other hand, have never been able >to demonstrate how to do this by using only TK. >I therefore have every right to say what I did, >that those two stunts are not done by TK. So let me get this straight... because you said that all their videos do not show genuine TK, you can logically say that all those kind of stunts are not done with TK? |
| Posted By: anomaly Posted On: May 19, 2005 Views: 1924 | RE: Let's put the record straight I'm going to make a video of a person eating cheese. It will not contain real cheese, but a material that looks like cheese. This will prove that no person possibly can have eaten cheese as it's so easily faked. Eat that, "cheese eaters"! |
| Posted By: mikejm Posted On: May 19, 2005 Views: 1922 | RE: Let's put the record straight It'd be better if you could do a vid of you mentally moving the cheese!! |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 19, 2005 Views: 1912 | RE: Let's put the record straight Nick, You said "So let me get this straight... because you said that all their videos do not show genuine TK, you can logically say that all those kind of stunts are not done with TK?" Nick, how is it you manage to get everything so wrong? I did not say that. Read through my comment again with an adult to help you with the longer words this time, or your teacher. What I said was, and read this very carefully, nobody has ever demonstrated rotating a psi wheel or straw by TK. I am NOT talking about videos, they can be faked, I am talking about doing it under test conditions. As in demonstating it, not submiting a video. Until it has been demonstrated to exist, it does not exist, except as a myth Got it now? |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 19, 2005 Views: 1909 | RE: Let's put the record straight anomaly, You think your argument makes sense???? Dear God! You poor thing, no wonder you think TK is real. Making a fake TK video does not prove that TK does not exist, and I have never once used that argument, it is totally illogical. What it does is to show that 'genuine' TK videos can't be used to show that TK is real, because they CAN be faked! I do hope that this isn't proving too difficult for you to follow. |
| Posted By: Nick Posted On: May 20, 2005 Views: 1903 | RE: Let's put the record straight >Until it has been demonstrated to exist, it does >not exist, except as a myth > >Got it now? This is exactly what I have been trying to show you is illogical. It is irrevocably illogical, just look at this fallacy definition: Argument from Ignorance (argumentum ad ignorantiam) Arguments of this form assume that since something has not been proven false, it is therefore true. Conversely, such an argument may assume that since something has not been proven true, it is therefore false. Examples: (i) Since you cannot prove that ghosts do not exist, they must exist. (ii) Since scientists cannot prove that global warming will occur, it probably won't. (iii) Fred said that he is smarter than Jill, but he didn't prove it, so it must be false. Got it now? |
| Posted By: anomaly Posted On: May 20, 2005 Views: 1897 | RE: Let's put the record straight OWNED. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 20, 2005 Views: 1881 | RE: Let's put the record straight Nick, You said..."Arguments of this form assume that since something has not been proven false, it is therefore true. Conversely, such an argument may assume that since something has not been proven true, it is therefore false." This is a very silly argument to use. It is totally without logic. You may as well argue that as nobody has proven that Father Christmas does not exist, then he must exist. Hey, that's amazing, I never knew Father Christmas was real! That's how daft your argument, and your logic, really is. You claim that TK is real. However, until you actually demonstrate it, your claim has nothing whatsoever to support it, just like father Christmas being real. Those that make a claim have the responsibility to prove it, for without proof they have nothing. It is not up to others to disprove it. Can you prove that I can't levitate if I make the claim I can? No, you can't. This doesn't mean that I can though, no matter how much I claim I can. Why do you have such a problem with this very basic and simple fact? It's up to Tkers to prove they have TK. Not one Tker ever has. TK does not exist. I rest my case Got it yet? |
| Posted By: Bubbap Posted On: May 20, 2005 Views: 1878 | RE: Let's put the record straight Well put Keith. Keith's point is basic and true. To argue that Keiths logic is not logical, indicates the arguer has no understanding of the basic concepts of an argument in the first place. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 20, 2005 Views: 1872 | RE: Let's put the record straight You are so right Buppap. That is the problem with both Nick and anomaly. They do not have the slightest idea on how to either construct or present an argument. That is why they both keep contradicting their own statements and end up talking utter nonsense. They are very childlike when it comes to making an argument. But it is amusing to watch them making fools of themseves. |
| Posted By: Nick Posted On: May 20, 2005 Views: 1861 | RE: Let's put the record straight >This is a very silly argument to use. It is >totally without logic. I agree... >You may as well argue that as nobody has proven >that Father Christmas does not exist, then he >must exist. Hey, that's amazing, I never knew >Father Christmas was real! Yep... >That's how daft your argument, and your logic, >really is. It's not my logic... I was pointing out the fallacy in YOUR logic. Check it out: >>>>>>>Keith said: >Until it has been demonstrated to exist, it does >not exist, except as a myth > >Got it now? This fits exactly with the above example of an Argument from Ignorance, like so: >(iii) Fred said that he is smarter than Jill, >but he didn't prove it, so it must be false. Keith's argument fits perfectly with this example of an Argument from Ignorance, therefore, his logic is flawed. |
| Posted By: bubap Posted On: May 20, 2005 Views: 1855 | RE: Let's put the record straight Hey Keith, I agree, it IS funny watching them try to argue. I was going to suggest that you ban them as being a total waste of internet bandwith, but actually these guys provide some great entertanment value. So, I suggest keep egging them on and let the fun continue! This is great stuff, haha!!! |
| Posted By: Nick Posted On: May 20, 2005 Views: 1851 | RE: Let's put the record straight >So, I suggest keep egging them on and let the >fun continue! This is great stuff, haha!!! Acutally, it is utterly hilarious watching Keith first say, "You will never find fault in my logic," and then watching his commit an plain and obvious fallacy. It's comical. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 21, 2005 Views: 1849 | RE: Let's put the record straight Poor Nick, You really don't get it do you? Keith said: Until it has been demonstrated to exist, it does not exist, except as a myth..........Keith's argument fits perfectly with this example of an Argument from Ignorance, therefore, his logic is flawed. Do you honestly think that I am being illogical when I say that until a claim has been demonstrated to be true it can be ignored? (In that case you must believe that Father Christmas must exist!) If so then you really do have a major problem when it comes to understanding a logical statement. If you read through your posting again you will see that you have directly contradicted yourself. You first agree with me that the fallacy argument is stupid, then later on use it against me. Just how daft are you? You use an argument that you yourself agree is stupid! What is it with you? let me try and explain it one last time. I'll dumb it down as low as possible for you, but somehow doubt even then if you will understand it. Let's see.... Okay, try this. I claim that I can walk through walls. I tell everyone about it on the internet. Some people are daft enough to believe I can do it simply because I say I can. Some people are daft enough to believe anything they are told. Others however want proof. I decline for a number of reasons to give proof but instead submit a simple, easy to fake video. I say that if nobody can fake a video like mine, but made under much more stringent conditions then mine was, making it very difficult to fake, then that must prove I can walk through walls. Never mind that I dont make such a video myself, but claim I could if I wanted. In other words, you have to take my word for it that I can walk through walls. I can walk though walls! The above is an example of 'logic' as used by Nick and other tkers. And Nick reckons it is me that is illogical!!! How funny is that? Come on Nick, let's hear your reply, I am sure it will be hilarious. |
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