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| Posted By: Zack Posted On: Jun 7, 2005 Views: 671 | RE: Let's put the record straight > Somebody First off. That is exactly the point. I do not know who you are. And if we've never engaged in conversation here on this forum, you would not have existed in my life. Sometimes you have to use a little common sense. Which is the perception of common reality. If you are talking to me on the internet, there is a probability that you are human. Reality: 1: The quality or state of being actual or true. 2: The totality of all things possessing actuality, existence, or essence. But what really is existence? And how does one know if something exists if they have never witnessed it or experienced it? Your reality, is only what you have preceived via your senses. If we were in the 'anything can happen world', then we can say that anything exists and everything exists. And we can very much say that. But, via science, we cannot say that. Some of you are probably 10 year olds, so let us do some basic vocabulary huh? Science: 1: Knowledge, especially that gained through experience. 2:The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena. It does not say, 'guessing' is part of science. It does not say 'faith' is part of science. IT does not say 'belief' is a part of science. It says, it is the experience reflected by an individual perception. Therefor, you do not exist via science, until I have met you, and experienced you. Now if you feel that science is flawed, then there is definately something wrong with you. Reality, is what we know as human beings. We do not know anything else. Except maybe Peter Flack, because he claims that he knows telekinesis. However he has not proven it, therefor, it is not a science based on the many perceptions of humanity, but a myth ('anything can happen world'). Please, go back to school kids. |
| Posted By: Placebo Posted On: Jun 7, 2005 Views: 662 | RE: Let's put the record straight Zack: In defence of PF (What? Me defend PF??) : As you yourself noted, knowledge is gleaned from individual experience. PF may have experienced something which led him to his present conviction of knowledge. On the other hand: We cannot just take his word for it. Human perception can be tricky, he may be fooling himself, or maybe not. We cannot know for sure without experiencing a similar thing and judging that evidence for ourselves. The proof is in the pudding... |
| Posted By: Zack Posted On: Jun 8, 2005 Views: 661 | RE: Let's put the record straight > Placebo Quoting myself :D - it is not a science based on the many perceptions of humanity, Absoluttely Placebo. If he were capable and he knew it to be possible. Then it would be a science for him. I was careful, and added: 'on the many perceptions of humanity'. |
| Posted By: Peter Flack Posted On: Jun 8, 2005 Views: 657 | RE: Let's put the record straight Thank you again Placebo...Zack knowlege is power... How did you know that tree was falling? Because it existed as a falling tree? Or because it was a tree? Which one do you hear? |
| Posted By: Zack Posted On: Jun 8, 2005 Views: 655 | RE: Let's put the record straight > Peter We are no where near the tree. We do not know anything about the tree falling. Until someone receives some evidence, it will still not exist. |
| Posted By: Peter Flack Posted On: Jun 9, 2005 Views: 651 | RE: Let's put the record straight In the beginning - there was the word "tree". |
| Posted By: Zack Posted On: Jun 9, 2005 Views: 647 | RE: Let's put the record straight Do you know what a hypothetical question means? It means it is a question based on a theory. That means, the word tree is a word spoke in third person. |
| Posted By: Peter Flack Posted On: Jun 10, 2005 Views: 641 | RE: Let's put the record straight ....I will continue...(dragging through this black hole).....You do not question the tree "falling", you question that there is a "tree". You can't hear or see it falling, you just hypothesize ( yes, out of the unbearable existing question that there is a tree )that there is a tree. Thirdly, which person? No one is there. Where did you get the ( I don't know, idea, impression, slightest iota of evidence, for f$#%@#$$@#$%ks sake something of the mind that brains exist for, anything? ) connection that the tree 'falls'? Before there is a 'tree'? I know....I know.. it goes back to the conversation about 'existence' on another segment, I have some quotes written down. |
| Posted By: Peter Flack Posted On: Jun 10, 2005 Views: 640 | RE: Let's put the record straight ....."WE"....Zack...who is "WE"? Who is near or far from what "tree" and "IT'S" ('falling',"falling")falling? |
| Posted By: Peter Flack Posted On: Jun 10, 2005 Views: 639 | RE: Let's put the record straight The one and the many, in existing perception of humanity have a seperate identifying polarity/duality issue. When you - Zack - use the word "we" what do I know? The many perceptions of science in the humanity of a third person? A second? No. Just me. Like you said, and why there is the new topic "telekinesis: fact or unproven fact". I accept no fantasy. There is too much drama to be sucked out of the site, and to be pushed into it by the using of the word as a question. The question in my perception is not worth hypothetical scientific investigative inquiry. |
| Posted By: PF Posted On: Jun 10, 2005 Views: 638 | RE: Let's put the record straight The word "fantasy". Or so in the way you struggle to use the word "myth". Sruggle (desire/suffering). |
| Posted By: Zack Posted On: Jun 10, 2005 Views: 635 | RE: Let's put the record straight > Mr. Peter Flack First of all. The words that are coming out of my mouth is not necessarily factual. It is a hypothetical question. Meaning, I just made the question up. If no one was around to hear the tree fall. If no one was around to see it fall. If no one was in a 50 mile block, without any sensors that will detect a large falling object. I hope you generally understand what I am talking about.. If a tree falls, no one is there to hear it, then does it make a sound. Sound is what is preceiveable by the human ear at a certain frequency. Existance is only what the brain relates to. |
| Posted By: Peter Flack Posted On: Jun 14, 2005 Views: 628 | RE: Let's put the record straight The word, "was" is past tense. That means the tree "fell". What tree? Do you even understand the words that have to be 'weighed down by the world' in the word "tree"? It hasn't fallen. You ask "what is the sound of a tree falling?". It is a 'butterfly-effect' in words. Hypothesis is just the most unquestionable of all things on the existence of a tree. It is that the tree falls, and hypothesis is directly pointed towards sound. Who hears the sound, Zack? You say no-one, you don't mean no-one. You hear the tree falling and ask what is the sound to someone else. The tree exists. The falling is the sound of existence. The sound is questioned. You ask no-one. No one is there to answer. No one brave enough to challenge the existence of the silence. Remember the quote "Fear knocks on the door, Faith answered, but no one was there."? What is the 'sound' of the door opening? |
| Posted By: Peter Flack Posted On: Jun 14, 2005 Views: 626 | RE: Let's put the record straight Closing?---------------------?--------------- |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 14, 2005 Views: 625 | RE: Let's put the record straight I think you guys are getting bogged down in this tree thing. Keep it simple. If a tree falls down it does make a noise. Noise being defined as a vibrational wave travelling through the air. Whether or not anyone is there to hear the noise does not make any difference, the noise exists. |
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