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| Posted By: Manoj Kumar Posted On: Apr 25, 2005 Views: 663 | Mila V to Nehru aur Bhagat Singh Kaa hi naam Mila V to Nehru aur Bhagat Singh Kaa hi naam. Saffron brigade mein koi nahin hai |
| Posted By: Laloo Prasad Posted On: Apr 25, 2005 Views: 670 | Manoj is right Independent India saw it's first charge sheeted minister as Pundit Nehru, first PM, who was charge sheeted by British for terrorism along with Bose, Bhagat singh, Azad etc. etc. and very many other charge sheeted terrorists, who never made to the list of secular history books. What is the difference between chage cheet of Nehru and mine???? |
| Posted By: Manoj Kumar Posted On: Apr 25, 2005 Views: 688 | Manu Shmriti can not be enacted Manu Shmriti can not be enacted in 2005 ,even if I favour Adavanijee |
| Posted By: Akshay Posted On: Apr 25, 2005 Views: 687 | Sad day for Vikas Yadav, Great day for all Must be a really sad day for Vikas Yadav(not his real name) and Rajesh as their FATHER AND UNCLE both have had setbacks, but nevertheless its a great day for the rest of us as LALUA HAS BEEN CHARGED IN THE FODDER SCAM CASE AND SHAHABUDDIN HAS HAD 4 NEW CASES REGISTERED AGAINST HIM, COURTESY DM OF SIWAN, MR. C.K. ANIL. WELL DONE C.K. ANIL, AND RANCHI HIGH COURT, AND THE INDIAN SUPREME COURT FOR KEEPING HIS CASES IN JHARKHAND. WELL DONE ALL AROUND!! AKSHAY |
| Posted By: Ravi Bhusan Posted On: Apr 25, 2005 Views: 683 | Copy paste choro Guys like you and prabhat are far away from realities and just do this, interpretating others work by inducing 5 5 of ur thoughts in it.Talk what you feel and see??/and whats happening...???? |
| Posted By: Manoj Kumar Posted On: Apr 25, 2005 Views: 674 | Nothing more 2 say Nothing more 2 say. I am in favour of Legislation against Chargesheeted persons being appointed in public office, whether it is Lalu, Modi Or Reverend Adavanijee. Let any MP come even with private member bill Good Bye and have a wonderfull time |
| Posted By: Ravi Bhusan Posted On: Apr 25, 2005 Views: 675 | Manoj deemag thanda kar ke baat karo Advani koi big shot nahi hai,,,,but the crime he did was a mass induced phenomenon that he was leading. By that standard all the freedom fighters of India independence will be considered Criminals. Dont compare these crimes with Guys installed by RJD in parliament. They are rapist, Nukkar bazzi, hafta chor and all. Yes when RJD started then other parties too started...becuase no one will vote for you if you will stand against Sadhua. Think rationally |
| Posted By: Manoj Kumar Posted On: Apr 25, 2005 Views: 680 | THE TAINTED AND THE SAINTED Alok Rai Of course I can imagine a civilized parliament and, with a little voice training, even Sushma Swaraj and Mamata Banerjee might be granted a place in it, provided they promise to keep their hair on. (And Mr Jaitley of course - he looks so sincere!) But if all people with serious criminal charges against their names are to be excluded, it will be a very small parliament indeed. The former Home Minister, we know, will be forced to stay at home. And this is the real reason why the BJP has dug up the quaintly religious idea of a "taint", whereby a flexible sort of distinction is sought to be established between different sorts of charges and different sorts of unconvicted crimes. Thus, the Bihari Uddins, so to speak, are accused of offences like kidnapping, extortion and murder. And these are, beyond doubt, horrible crimes. And so the Uddins are deemed to be "tainted" merely by virtue of the fact of being accused of such heinous crimes. It is of course a damn pity, and an embarrassment, that these people have all been elected - rather like Mr Advani and the infamous Modi. One may still try to base some kind of distinction on the grounds that one lot are elected because of their crimes, while the others are elected despite them. But I defy anyone to work out which is which. (Consider Shahabuddin: despite? because? Consider Modi: because? despite? ) But, be that as it may, election can hardly offer exemption from justice. Legislators cannot be presumed to be above the law, like policemen. We know, of course, that all of these people are still unconvicted - so perhaps we could just pick on the judicial system, and forget the whole messy business? But even this would be somewhat complicated by the fact that, until lately, Mr Advani actually presided over the very department that was supposed to investigate and perhaps convict him! I suppose saints must be presumed to be above mere conflict of interest. So, what is the real distinction between the tainted and the sainted - between say, Shahabuddin and, say, Advani? Somehow, the implication is that the former's crimes are worse than the latter's; that the latter's crimes are, in fact, not crimes at all. Mr Vajpayee is actually quoted as saying only yesterday [ PTI, June 10 ] that the cases of his colleagues were of a different nature. He introduced the notion of a political crime that was fundamentally different from the other kind. He opined magisterially if ungrammatically that you cannot have one gauge to (sic) all issues, thereby lending his authority to the idea of multiple standards. Now, I hold no brief for the louts, those ordinary ordinary criminals - exclusion isn't enough, hang them if you can, pull out their fingernails! But I wish to examine the arguments whereby Advani and MMJoshi and Uma Bharati, the Babri Three, are sought to be exempted from this necessary justice. One can understand why the "sainted" ones are reluctant to name the tradition whose moral glamour they seek to invoke in their favour. This is the tradition of civil disobedience, associated indissolubly with the name of the assassinated Father of the Nation - assassinated, let us never forget, by a member of Mr Advani's own ideological fraternity. In civil disobedience, the law is broken publicly, declaredly, without violence and with the explicit political intent of subjecting the law to the critique of a higher, undeniable moral law. One thinks of Gandhi breaking colonial law on the beach at Dandi; of Martin Luther King breaking the segregationist, racist law in the southern U.S.; of Mandela and apartheid It is of the very nature of such "law breaking" that conviction is a certainty - unless of course one is a friend of the Home Minister or, better, one is oneself the Home Minister! Gandhi, as every schoolboy knew - before Joshi got to work on the textbooks! - actually requested Judge Broomfield to convict him. Though Vajpayee may claim that Advani's "crimes" are different, the fact of the matter is that Advani, unlike Gandhi, has actually sought to escape conviction - rather like the Bihari Uddins, in fact! But, perhaps, there is something in Vajpayees distinction after all. It is possible that the "crimes" of Advani et al are a distinct third category, distinct both from the common or garden crimes of the Uddins and from non-violent civil disobedience. The difference lies in the fact that these are calculated acts of public violence, executed in order to achieve political ends. The commonly available designation for such acts, I fear, is terrorism. Lawyers make a fundamental distinction between civil and criminal law. While disputes regarding property fall within the purview of civil law, resorting to extra-legal means to settle such disputes - whether through violence or subterfuge, as in forgery - are the subject of criminal law. In the light of this distinction, the violence of the Uddins are still, essentially, about seizing property and are arguably therefore, admittedly from a macro godlike perspective, still a zero sum game: your money, my pocket, that sort of thing! But the political violence associated with the proponents of "cultural nationalism" is radically different. When it rises "idealistically" above mundane intentions like clearing slum properties and benefitting land mafias, it aims at nothing less than kidnapping the nation, Constitution and all. The existing civil and criminal law existing by virtue of the same Constitution - can hardly capture its fundamental enormity. After all, Germany barely survived the paroxysm of perverted Hitlerite nationalism in the 1930s. I believe that India 2004 has had a narrow escape from a similar fate: India, that is Bharat, that might have been Modis Gujarat. Mere murderers are nothing compared to these madmen. And women. Of course they must all, the tainted and the sainted, be convicted under the existing law. But it is only consistent with the moral altitude claimed by these sainted ones perpetually implying and declaring that they are above the law that they receive a higher sentence. (Alok Rai teaches English at Delhi University) link- http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/738962.cms |
| Posted By: Ravi Bhusan Posted On: Apr 25, 2005 Views: 696 | Sentimental ho jaate hai saab Secularist, I am watching this forum for many days. I have followed and analyzed many comments. I felt bad how these people were targeting such a polite chap who really sounds credible and unbiased. But these guys were making fun of him. Then i too thought that let me teach these hypocrites some lesson,Salla tho use karenge but wont go ahead. Salla is colloquial....Pyar se kehte hai. |
| Posted By: Manoj Kumar Posted On: Apr 25, 2005 Views: 691 | Be fair my dear! And here I am going to post an article by Alok Rai. Alok Rai is grand son of Munshi Premchand and teaches English in Delhi Universty. Be fair my dear! Relapsing to abusive language is easiest thing to do. |
| Posted By: Manoj Kumar Posted On: Apr 25, 2005 Views: 697 | Well any one may come with abusive language Well any one may come and thrash me with abusive language , but here are posting again on "tainted minister" issue. There must be a law on its place so that anybody (including Lalu Yadav) charge sheeted with major section of IPC must resign from public office. But which party is willing to come out with that kind of legislation, neither Advani Jee nor Shivaraj Patil. NDA is making hue and cry now on this issue after ruling the nation for more than 6 years. Who debar them to come out with proper legislation? But how can they? India got first charge sheeted HOME MINISTER during NDA regime and the person had been charge sheeted with various sections of IPC( including criminal conspiracy) where convicted criminals gets imprisonment like any other criminal ,for example say dacoits and criminal trespassers . Unfortunately in India 2005 Manu Smirti like legal code cannot be enacted which can discriminate between Advanijee and Dirty Bihari. How sad! |
| Posted By: Ravi Bhusan Posted On: Apr 25, 2005 Views: 697 | Insane wont criticize Laloo Anyone who is unbiased with little grey matter in his head, will defiantely criticize laloo. Total failure of Bihar is attributed to Laloo...not even a single EX CM including Jaganath Mishra. Yes I am Upper caste and I am supporting all Ex CM of Bihar who were there . This Laloo has made the whole ganga dirty....started criminalization of Politics, Started producing rift between upper and lower caste, Started installing criminals as adminiistrator and leaders andthe only nautanki he know is to speak against BJP on Behalf of Sonia. The clown jumps in Lok Sabha and says that Sonia ji ISh desh ki bahu hai...and starts fighting with BJP but that Clown has never jumped demanding money for Bihar in parliament. |
| Posted By: Secularist Posted On: Apr 25, 2005 Views: 697 | Ravi Bhusan ji Bina salla shabd ka pryaog kiye bhi aap apni baat ko sahaz dhang se rakh sakte hain....... |
| Posted By: Akshay Posted On: Apr 25, 2005 Views: 691 | Prabhat CASTEIST for defending JOKERS Prabhat has hidden it well, but alas it is finally revealed that Prabhat himself is a CASTEIST, and anti-BHUMIHAR. How else do you explain Prabhat rushing to the defense of LALUA'S BETA VIKAS YADAV(not his real name), while at the same time criticising me for castigating LALUA. Prabhat should refrain from being casteist, and stop defending jokers on this forum. He has lost whatever little credibility he had left. You cannot hide behind fancy talk of development. Your real agenda has been exposed. I feel sorry for you.. Akshay |
| Posted By: Akshay Posted On: Apr 25, 2005 Views: 688 | Jokers ki bolthi band ho gayi, kya baath hai? Vikas YADAV(not his real name) ke PITHA SHRI LALOO YADAV, AUR VIKAS YADAV KE UNCLE, SHRI MOHAMAD SHAHABUDDIN KO TES LAGNE KE BAADH, UNKE BETA AUR NEPHEW VIKAS YADAV AND RAJESH AND PRABHAT ALL ABSCONDING.. :) AKSHAY |
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