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| Posted By: Syrgot Posted On: Jun 27, 2004 Views: 834 | RE: Michael Moore is a jerk Read this. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/0 1/04/INGPQ40MET1.DTL |
| Posted By: uncle ho Posted On: Jun 27, 2004 Views: 833 | RE: Michael Moore is a jerk so what if we tortured them?!?!?!?!! unless i misread you, you weren't being sarcastic. i don't even know what to say to that. you are what's wrong with the world today. 1 million you's will create a huge problem in the world. you freaky sadistic retard. what are you on? |
| Posted By: Aurora Posted On: Jun 27, 2004 Views: 824 | RE: Michael Moore is a jerk First of all.. Michael Moore.. the movie is his opinion, and he is allowed that. He has looked at the facts and perceived them in his own way. An opinion cannot be fundamentally right or wrong b/c it is what a person believes, just like religion. Moore has the ability to portray his opinion in an entertaining fashion, which allows him to profit from his beliefs, good for him. The whole world is biased, dont pick Moore out as the root of evil when we know thats Bush :) (sorry.. couldnt help myself) Why is it that the US can nominate itself as the police of the world, and yet you are not forced to follow agreements everyone else does? I dont like the argument that Saddam was evil because he killed his own people because basically, you Americans kill your own people too. Like Saddam, you judge people according to certain laws, and if they are found guilty, you kill them. Yes, I realize there is a world of difference between the systems, Saddam was much more subjective in his killing, but the systems have the same basic premise Do as I say, or else. And how is it OK to torture people? Especially if youre going over there with the idea that you are freeing these poor oppressed people from an evil tyrant, honestly how happy do you think they are having the US as their new dictator? And if you say torturing people is OK, I suppose you have no problem with them torturing your soldiers? Have we all forgotten the Geneva Convention? Oh and Jack, since no one else jumped in to answer your question I will try my best as an outsider.. The American political system is essentially a two party system, although there is an opportunity for an independent to run. When they go to vote, they dont vote for the party, but for who they want to be President.. this puts the independent at a disadvantage b/c they are not necessary on the ballot in every location. |
| Posted By: Sure Posted On: Jun 27, 2004 Views: 818 | RE: Michael Moore is a jerk Dear Aurora, OK, you say Moore can profit off the misfortune of others, even though he charges others, for profiting off of the same people's suffering, that my friend is hypocrisy. Actually if you want to follow that little game of ideoligy in refrence to Saddam, OK! He killed with sometimes with no reason, so please if you support saddam watch out for holes in your own argument, he did not always "judge" people. He did not really have a system so there is no similar "basic premise". You know the way you finished with "Do as I say or else" makes it seem like you are against order, an archanist are you? Torture is permisible if it can possibly save some people's lives. The U.S. is not a dictator, that is why they hate us, please read Machiavelli before you talk of such things. The Geneva Convention is not imprtant, just because what it is, does not make it an absolute, actually it has many flaws. "Why is it that the US can nominate itself as the police of the world, and yet you are not forced to follow agreements everyone else does?" That made me laugh! because we are the police, we have to run some red lights, to catch the bad guys. Everyone so hates the US, but just wait as history repeats itself, so will there be a war, and so will you all run back to us tail in between your legs, See You Then ; ) Love, Sure |
| Posted By: Syrgot Posted On: Jun 27, 2004 Views: 753 | RE: Michael Moore is a jerk So many of you keep posting like "I am right", and "this war is right", and somehow because of that, the repercussions become invisible. Sure is right, history does repeat itself, and look at what has happened to every great superpower the world has ever seen. Ashes to ashes, they all fall down. People look at what they will consider to be an apparent victory and forget about everything that has taken to get them there. Is a ten trillion dollar deficit not a problem? How about the millions without health care who have been forgotten because of our effort and money spent on Iraq. Those should be the number one priority of the Bush Administration. He's so intent on rebuilding a foreign nation that he ruined, that he's letting America fall apart. |
| Posted By: dragonmaster Posted On: Jun 27, 2004 Views: 748 | RE: Michael Moore is a jerk (takes a deep breath) Alex, I wrote " our country is already gone " to sum up a lot of stuf. Not enuf people vote in this country for it to matter. Most of the people who do vote do so for their own party, not for the man they think will do the best job. Some things, like war, shouldent be desided by one man. It must be approved by the people. The whole system needs reworked. The current system worked 200 years ago, but not now. It will be a long time before people like me will be able to run. The people in power now refuse to see the need for a masive change. Our country is still NEW as far as countries go. It needs work, you cant start a country and let it go on it's merry way. The peoblem is reworking the government will take a long time, and you have to do it without taking any rights or freedoms away. Syrgot, Thanks for that bit of sanity. All but "innocent nation". The people are innocent, not the government. The government needed change but it didn't need a invasion to do it. Every thing else, ok. The Almighty Doer of Stuff, It's the oil. Sure, "The excuse, I was only following orders, will not be exepted anymore. The death of innocent people will not be overlooked, you will be brought to justice." Pres. George Bush "that guy" was an example. If we shoot people in crouds and destroy CITISONS property then it just gets worse. In principle we are there to free them from an Iron fisted GOVRNMENT. We cant do that by being iron fisted while over there. Syrgot, reading............... Stuff like this happens all the time. Our government has two faces. the public side and the was things work. It's old news, and once in a while comes up. uncle ho, sad, gwb came by...... Aurora, Thanks. Exept for the voting. you can only vote for your party, if you want to vote for the other guy you have to change parties. takes a few months to do so. At least for me it did, and i have never seen a independent on the ballad. unsure, "because we are the police, we have to run some red lights, to catch the bad guys" Who are the bad guys exactly? everybody that dosent belive in us? that makes us the bad guys. I'll jump right in if a country is a direct threat. I don't think that anybody is complaining about Afganistan. we are going for the wrong countries. We have the tecnology to see what kind of weapons other countries have. North Koria is a place we need to be. They have nukes and it is common knowlege that they want to use them against us. the only reason they don't is becouse the missle would go over Japan on it's way over. How long do you think it will take them to get ****ed at us for taking their oil and put one of those things on a ship? (writers cramp) You can't force a people to be free. They must gain that freedom themselves or it is meaningless. |
| Posted By: uncle ho Posted On: Jun 27, 2004 Views: 745 | bad guys.... bad guys? please. the problem is, if we don't watch what it is that we're doing here, WE ARE going to be the bad guys. ever heard of bad cops? they exist. they're about power, not justice. this war was influenced by power and upheld a facade of justice. yes, saddam is synonymous with terrible. yes, there were problems there. point is, we went there with the gov't screaming "saddam gots big ol' WMDs!!!!!", ripped the **** out of that place, lost lives and the public finds out later, OOPS! that stuff wasn't there after all. the gov't lied and spent lives to get what it 'needed'. why did it need to lie?? because the TRUTH wasn't enough to warrant what we did. the torturing? POWER trip. keep your idealogies in your pants, cowboy. oh but wait... the injuns were bad guys too, right???!! you're absolutely right. history repeats itself. |
| Posted By: Dragonmaster Posted On: Jun 27, 2004 Views: 744 | RE: Michael Moore is a jerk As always, sorry for the spelling. (James is not responsible for hurt feelings, eye cramps, or spontanious combustion after reading this extremly long post, if you have read this then don't bitch, you have been aftertold.) |
| Posted By: sal Posted On: Jun 27, 2004 Views: 740 | RE: Michael Moore is a jerk the real reason hussein invaded kuwait. The whole dispute started because Kuwait was slant-drilling. Using equipment bought from National Security Council chief Brent Scowcroft's old company, Kuwait was pumping out some $14-billion worth of oil from underneath Iraqi territory. Even the territory they were drilling from had originally been Iraq's. Slant-drilling is enough to get you shot in Texas, and it's certainly enough to start a war in the Mideast. Even so, this dispute could have been negotiated. But it's hard to avoid a war when what you're actually doing is trying to provoke a war. The most famous example of that is the meeting between Saddam and the US Ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, five days before Iraq invaded Kuwait. As CIA satellite photos showed an Iraqi invasion force massing on the Kuwaiti border, Glaspie told Hussein that "the US takes no position" on Iraq's dispute with Kuwait. |
| Posted By: Syrgot Posted On: Jun 27, 2004 Views: 734 | RE: Michael Moore is a jerk Dragonmaster, Thank you for acknowledging my bit of sanity. And you are right, it is the people of Iraq that are innocent, not their (former) administration. That is how I intended it, thank you for clarifying though. |
| Posted By: Sure Posted On: Jun 27, 2004 Views: 732 | RE: Michael Moore is a jerk Dear Syrgot, Ehh? I believe America will fall, and to it illustrate the point of history repeating itself I believe it will fall as Rome did, through immigration. But do you know what happens when super powers fall? Everyone suffers. Ok, you know what? rephrase your whole last paragraph, and then put your opinions into what should be done. Love, Sure Dear dragonmaster, You can not let the people decide the fate of a country, you see the majority is always stupid, I don't mean to be rude but that is the natural order, and the way it has been always been the majority follows, the minority leads. That is pretty basic thinking. Your first remark I could not understand you have to rephrase that. Ahaha, the second comment to me was foolish, are we to let them writhe in chaos, and cause harm to themselves and others around them? Your final comment was way too ridiculous to answer. Dear uncle ho, You are such a child, seriously you learned a little bit in junior high and kept those ideas with you all your life. OK, then let me help you out. The first paragraph was a straight forward rant, so I'm not going to bother with that. And what? do you think the Native American's were all saints? The large majority were savages, they were no better then the colonists, they had many wars some had human sacrifices etc, so please take a little lesson in history before blurting things out. |
| Posted By: dragonmaster Posted On: Jun 27, 2004 Views: 728 | RE: Michael Moore is a jerk so you either don't understand or care about other posts. This changes everything. lol Your starting to loose your arguments. if you need a refrase then tell me which one. the first one - i havent seen the movie yet...... You can not let the people decide the fate of a country = People can't decide their own fate. The people are the country, not the governments. |
| Posted By: Matt Posted On: Jun 27, 2004 Views: 722 | RE: Michael Moore is a jerk Who are all these people posting I've never seen before? Syrgot? Sal? Uncle hoe? If your new n' stuff thats awesome, I was new once as well, but I think it's just Aurora posing as multiple personalities so she can spread her bull**** faster. Kudos. I was just saying that a movie telling half truths and slander isn't cool. I go to movies to be entertained, not lied to, and I wasn't entertained and the final outcome was me losing money. It's like watching Saving Private Ryan, but before they Americans bomb a group of Natzis killing a town full of Jewish people they show the tons German childeren running around laughing and playing on swing sets. That way when the audience is watching the movie they're focused on the childeren rather than the real problem at hand. Michael Moore make lots of money this way. I wasn't entertained by it, and in the end it cost me money. |
| Posted By: Matt Posted On: Jun 27, 2004 Views: 717 | RE: Michael Moore is a jerk Did I mention that it cost me money? Nothing this horrible should cost money. What the hell was I thinking... This is Matrix 3 all over again. |
| Posted By: dragonmaster Posted On: Jun 27, 2004 Views: 716 | RE: Michael Moore is a jerk "I go to movies to be entertained, not lied to." Read that again. It's a movie. not a documentary. Thanks though, I'll wait till it gets to the Dollar movie theater that I used to work at. I won't waste to much money that way....... |
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