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Posted By: A. N. Pandey

Posted On: Mar 15, 2004
Views: 897
SAVE_BIHAR_FROM_ITS_PEOPLE

Continued....

You asked the following questions and they are all valid questions. However, my answer to your questions will be the followings?

1> It is ok for current government to plunder the state because upper caste leaders did the same earleier and now a backward caste leader is getting his chance to do the same. Welcome to the land of Social Justice :-)

Ans: My simple answer to your this question is : it is not ok to follow the same misdeeds done by previous govt or groups in power. However, when a society is so suppressed as it was in Bihar and power is concentrated to few people, there will always be some kind of resentments by the suppressed people. This has happened recently in Russia and other socialist/communists countries. Bihar is not exception. It may take some time to realize every one in Bihar and in next phase, you will see Bihari nationalism and people will be united behind their leader (whoever he may be???). That will be the begining of rise of Bihar.

2> Everyone from the world, US, UK, south India...., is to be blamed for the misfortune of Bihar. Bihari's need not be blamed for that.

Ans: Again, the simple answer to this question is "Nobody should be blamed for the plight of Bihar but Bihar and Bihar its people only. However, in a federal govt. system as in case of India, there is law of equal distribution of National income and Biahr is just asking that. Also, on the iniation of Central govt, Bihar has been divided that has created loss of resources and so there is genuine demand by people of Bihar to bear the burden of divn by the central govt. Bihar is not blaming anybody.

3> We can find 1000 of wrong thing about other parts of India, world, univ... So no one has right to say that Bihar is underdeveloped and a lawless state.

Ans: Constructive critisisms should always be welcomed as they bring materials that as an individual we are not capable of. However, criticisizing just for the sake of fun and downgrade some body just to feel good for oneself is not welcomed and not good. Every Bihar should participate in resenting such criticsm.

4> Everyone is against Bihar/Bihari

Ans: No one is blaming to any one about the poor condidtions of Bihar but to Bihar and its people only. It is the people of Bihar who will their problems and it is them who will solve their problems. There will be who will come forward to change Bihar. Bihar has lots of great and sons and daughters and they will rescue Bihar from this crisis also.
So, just relax and do not take too much tension about Bihar. Bihar will bring its glory back. It is not a land of cowards. It is a land of braves.


Posted By: A. N. Pandey

Posted On: Mar 15, 2004
Views: 894
SAVE_BIHAR_FROM_ITS_PEOPLE

When you are biassed and prejudiced, it is difficult to understand the logics.
My answer to your question "SAVE_BIHAR_FROM_ITS_PEOPLE" was very simple.
I will repeat one more time, if you eliminate its people from the equation of devt of a state/country/society, it is left with physical things and physical things alone can not bring changes, devt, and progress. The society always needs its human power no matter how good or bad people the society or state may have. It is the people who brings changes to their society. I will give one example. In early 40s and 50s, there was movement brought by Annadurai, Periar and others against Brahminical society and history is witness of that. Hundred of thousands of Tamil Brahmin were forced to leave Tamil Nadu and presently living in difft parts of India. Later, the movement subsided and brought changes in Tamil Nadu. The movement also brought cult politics in TamilNadu and we see every day how Tamil Nadu people are capable/incapable of choosing their leaders.
Bihar is similarly going through some social changes and these changes are being brought by its own people. The changes will be good or bad for Bihar will depend on the people of Bihar.
I am neither glorifying nor defending the plight of Bihar. I am just bringing the reality and facts about the prsent situations. Also, I am absolutely right in my statement that every society has embraced downfall and progress in its existence and those changes were brought by its citizens and not by others. India is the best example.
My point is that the people of Bihar alone will bring changes and make a Great Bihar, no one else


Posted By: Rajesh

Posted On: Mar 14, 2004
Views: 929
Sarva Brahmin Maharally

This is definitely a clear achievement of Laloo Yadav regime. Now Brahmins have to form their forum, pretty in similar fashion as Muslims and other minorities organized themselves to further their interest. Their dominance in governance is all but gone. Now nobody should speak of vote bank politics in negative way.



RJD govt blamed for plight of Brahmins

TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ MONDAY, MARCH 15, 2004 05:04:17 AM ]

PATNA: Though participants in the state-level Sarva Brahmin Maharally held in Gandhi Maidan here on Sunday avoided giving any political message, president of Vishwa Shanti Mission Vinod Pandey said that honour and status of Brahmins in the state came in danger from 1990, when the state government espousing the cause of "social justice" was formed.

Though he did not mention the name of RJD chief Laloo Prasad Yadav, he drove his point home when he said that some leaders from the "1974 movement" came to power and formed "social justice government" that started the decline of Brahmins in the state.



Posted By: SAVE_BIHAR_FROM_ITS_PEOPLE

Posted On: Mar 14, 2004
Views: 949
Barbad Bihar

Mr. Panday,
I cannot understand what is your point? By saying that
"Almost all human society has embraced one way or otherway its downfall....." are you tring to justify or glorify the downfall of Bihar?
If not people of Bihar, who are choosing their leader for last 50 years, who I should blame. Don't be paranoid when somebody is trying to say the obvious thing. A random collection of the opinion expressed on this site, gives following view:
1> It is ok for current government to plunder the state because upper caste leaders did the same earleier and now a backward caste leader is getting his chance to do the same. Welcome to the land of Social Justice :-)
2> Everyone from the world, US, UK, south India...., is to be blamed for the misfortune of Bihar. Bihari's need not be blamed for that.
3> We can find 1000 of wrong thing about other parts of India, world, univ... So no one has right to say that Bihar is underdeveloped and a lawless state.
4> Everyone is against Bihar/Bihari


I guess I should blame Bush or Putin or Musharaf for all the things happening in Bihar :-)


Posted By: A. N. Pandey

Posted On: Mar 14, 2004
Views: 939
SAVE_BIHAR_FROM_ITS_PEOPLE

Whoever you are, your statement "SAVE_BIHAR_FROM_ITS_PEOPLE" may reflect your perception about Bihar and Bihari people but your statement is absurd, nonsense, and ridiculus. Almost all human society has embraced one way or otherway its downfall and it is the people of that society that brought back the glory and successes to that society. So, if you remove people from its equation in the devt of any society, you will have the physical map of the society and physical map can not to any thing to change its direction for better and prosperity. So, Bihar needs its brilliant sons and daughters and their commitments to make a better Bihar.
Hold your fantacy about Bihar. Bihar will come back and regain its glory. The feauture of India is bleak if Bihar will fail to participate.



Posted By: SAVE_BIHAR_FROM_ITS_PEOPLE

Posted On: Mar 14, 2004
Views: 902
Barbad Bihar

After reading comments on this sit, I concluded BIHAR needs to be saved from all Bihari's rather than from one person Laloo. If after 15 year (Laloo Raj) + 32 years (Congress raj), Bihari's are not finding any problems with their leadership or with their state only god can save this state


Posted By: S N P Sinha

Posted On: Mar 14, 2004
Views: 871
To Rajesh

This is what your people do in Bihar. It is shame for Bihar as the corrupt govt of Bihar is patronizing these criminals.
Enjoy the news and feel proud of your people.

Maoists kill three in Bihar's Gaya district
Press Trust of India
Gaya, March 13

Three persons were killed and as many injured when about 150 Maoist Communist Centre militants swooped on a village in Bihar's Gaya district early on Saturday, an official said.

The heavily armed militants entered Adai village at around 4 am and shot dead the 3 persons in their sleep, district magistrate Brajesh Mehrotra said.

The victims, believed to be supporters of Ranvir Sena, the banned militia of upper caste land owners, were identified as Ashok Sharma, Sudhir Sharma and Sadanand Singh.

The injured were rushed to Patna Medical college hospital and 2 of them are in a critical condition, Mehrotra said.

Efforts are on to nab the militants, he added.



Posted By: BihariNumberTwoInNewYork

Posted On: Mar 14, 2004
Views: 876
Asur

SMILING.


Posted By: Rajesh

Posted On: Mar 13, 2004
Views: 883
Visit to Dravidas land

Thanks for the offer Asur.
But what's so secret or logistical problem that you can't enlighten us by using internet? Everyone needs to come out of coccoon, so let's discuss how to go about it. I am sure we can only get wiser if we listen to each other.


Posted By: kumar

Posted On: Mar 13, 2004
Views: 882
Asura,

Hi,

I saw your last message inviting Rajesh to your Dravida Land.

Here are very few features of your Land :

1. Madras (now Chennai, you guys change your name every now and then) has three whethers.
Hot
Hotter &
Hottest

Bihar also has three whether
Summer
Winter
Rainey Season

2. Chennai is the capital of illicit human organ trade. People sell their Kidney for the sake of money. I never heard something in Bihar.


Want more. Next Time.
Bye.


Posted By: Asur

Posted On: Mar 13, 2004
Views: 871
final

So, fraud bihari is not in US, he is a typical SADAK CHHAAP bihari. Mr.Sarin, don't run behind me, only an Asur can survive b'cause people in this forum don't understand if not told in vulgar, shotgun way without questioning the maternity, without using the provoking wordings; that's why i have been sent, i am not Dr.Manish. Rajesh, you come out of your COCCOON shed by your conditions; break it out. BIRATHER (BROTHER), don't comment about Dravidas without informations, if you want i can sponser your visit to the Dravidas land.
So, no one commented about their beloved MP, which is supposed to be the aim of this forum. What makes you to vote for SHARAD YADAV ? Being with LOLLOO, being with BIHARI, what else ? Nothing more than that !


Posted By: A. K. Sarin

Posted On: Mar 13, 2004
Views: 873
To Asur

Asur,
You talked enough nonsense under this platform. Are you realyy an Asur or pretending to be an Asur to release your anger? From some of the last comments, it seems you are Dr. Manish Kumar, who is hiding behind Asur and trying release your frustration and anger. You do not have to hide behind an Asur. You are welcome to join as Dr. Manish Kumar. We do not mean any bad or harm to you and your family. Just be who you are and write what ever you think good.


Posted By: Rajesh

Posted On: Mar 13, 2004
Views: 863
Tells from Asura land

Asur,
I see you being critical of Mandal politics. But this kind of politics started from your land only. Your Dravida movement had so much fireworks but I don't see it doing any good for the Dalits. How does it matter if your roads are better and trains run in time. Even Dalits in Bihar live with more dignity. Now you have completed full circle when Jayalalitha legislated anti-conversion bill damning all Dalits with a single shot, not mention about saffronization or aryanization speaking in your terms. What happened to your Dravida identity? You look nothing but confused.


Posted By: BihariNumberTwoInNewYork

Posted On: Mar 13, 2004
Views: 891
Asur

Hindi is our national language, and you must be knowing it. There is no need to take extra pride in it. But, you should understand that there is a great difference between confidence and overconfidence. What you have is overconfidence. Oh ya, you cannot see reasons -- you are an asur. Demon. Rakshasa. Your mother could not have possibly chosen a better name for you.


Posted By: BihariNUmberTwoInNewYork

Posted On: Mar 13, 2004
Views: 842
Asur

Gaal Bajate Raho.


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