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Posted By: Spadge

Posted On: Dec 3, 2004
Views: 4553
As good as anyone else

Italy offers a rather different challenge to other countries. Part of the negative aspect is the difficulty in growing quickly and she simply does not have the potency or geographical position to force the issue herself- Italy needs allies. If Italy is picked on early there is really not much that can be done as most proactive Italian openings leave her home centres open for a stab or to get pinned down.
So long as Italy survives to the middle game with a decent bit of Diplomacy and luck- if Turkey is weakened then the options really start to open up.
I just won my first game - as Italy - in 1907, helped by very poor German Diplomacy and an I/R/F peace agreement that I could hastily break come 1905 as a devastating stab to Austria and a Russia and France commited north meant that there was nothing really stopping the win.
All in all yes, I would agree at the start Italy is poor, but later on it is just as good as any country.


Posted By: Really Awesome

Posted On: Nov 30, 2004
Views: 3488
Italy OWNS

I think Italy is the best country. Everyone is at my mercy.


Posted By: John

Posted On: Oct 1, 2004
Views: 4320
Italy

Although I also enjoy the excitement and necessary diplomacy of a center country, Italy just doesn't have that.

Italy doesn't have much opportunity for growth west because of Switzerland and lack of support from a hesitant Germany.

Italy is boring, because most attacks are made on Austria.


Posted By: Harold Prang

Posted On: Sep 24, 2004
Views: 4318
Longest lasting Triple

The best triple in my they are far enough away from each other so that a stab doesn't happen til later in the game , but they are close enough to help each other. Russia can go after Turkey. All of them can go against Austria and Germany and Russia can cruise in Scandinavia while Italy clogs up Gibraltar and eventually get to maybe the North Sea.
It is a great Triple and I recommend you try it. IT involves though everyone being completely aggressive and npt scared of the others.


Posted By: Pete

Posted On: Aug 9, 2004
Views: 4994
Why Austria is much better than Italy

In modern diplomacy Austria is much better than Italy because Turkey seems to be much more willing to ally against Russia, and Italy has a tendency to want to attack france. In this madness Austria has become exponentionally more powerfull because now Turkey will be in sev while Italy is in con and Austria is everywhere else. I would argue that Austria is almost as good a power as Germany now adays.


Posted By: Dave

Posted On: Jun 12, 2004
Views: 4783
Italy-Austria

I am playing a PBEM game right now where Austria decided to attack Italy from the outset. Both of them are getting demolished now by R/T, exactly as I had predicted. So there are some Austria players unwise enough to try it, but not many, and they don't stick around long enough to enjoy any spoils of war.


Posted By: Daryl

Posted On: Jun 1, 2004
Views: 4886
Italy

Well said, Dave. Although my previous description of Italy was incredibly negative; indeed, the metaphor of the power being an operation scar was slightly harsh..., i have since revised my opinion.
My last face to face game saw me as Austria with what i thought was a loyal lap dog of Italy. When i was crunched by what i thought was my puppet, i was powerless to keep the coastal provences such as Greece which fell under the green swarm.
Perhaps drawing Italy in the next game wouldn't be so bad. After all, what suicide Austria would invade Italy and neglect the Balkans? theres a guarentedd ally if you want it.


Posted By: Dave

Posted On: May 30, 2004
Views: 4217
Italy

Italy is a great power to play. It just happens to be the case that few people know how to play it. It doesn't surprise me in the least that a person with a poor opinion of Italy also suggests that it MUST gain two in 1901. That's a recipe for suicide. Italy needs to start as a solid Austrian ally, or it will get rolled every time by R/T. Italy can let Austria be the senior partner all the way to the point where Austria is nearing a win. Because Italy will have fleets and Austria won't, Italy can always gain the upper hand in the south, no matter how badly it may be outnumbered.

I just won a game where I picked up a 4-center Italy position in F1907 (DEDO:paprika). Though I got into it late, I played the same strategy that has won for me as Italy many, many times.

I think that in a game with good players, Italy has a much better chance to win than either England or Turkey.


Posted By: buck

Posted On: May 18, 2004
Views: 3712
Italy should NOT be so hated (Austria should!)

I've played more Dip than I care to think about, and I have led every nation to victory. I have rarely had trouble taking Italy to the end-game, as it may be slow to grow (a WELL played start should net TWO centers), but that allows you to ally with powerful nations who don't see you as a threat ... until it is too late.

Austria, on the other hand, is a victim in waiting. It is true that you have the ability to deal with multiple nations, but only as long as you remain in the game - which may not be long. Austria is open to attack from all sides, and typically ends up the victim of an early stab. Especially in on-line games, Austria is often out of the game in three years. There are times an ally stands by Austria, but it is a rarity. More often than not Austria grabs Balkans centers that it can not hold, while losing Trieste, and from there its demise is certain.

Also ... Turkey and Britain have equally solid defensive positions, and played well will last to the end game. Good nations to play, by my account.

Play on ...


Posted By: Daryl

Posted On: May 17, 2004
Views: 3466
Italy

Anyone who didn't vote for Italy is either stupid or inexperienced. Any player unlucky enough to draw the green piece will usually resign themselves to the fact that 4 supply centres is going to be their peak in the game. Like an operation scar waiting to burst in a hot bath, the Italian player knows the inevitable; that he will indefinately be crunched as soon as people have the forces spare to do so.


Posted By: Brendan

Posted On: Apr 17, 2004
Views: 3984
Turkey

I'm surprised at how many votes Turkey has. They can easily ally with Austria and take over Russia, and then backstab them and take them over.

P.S. If anyone is interested in playing by e-mail drop me an e-mail: b_raf@msn.com


Posted By: teddy

Posted On: Apr 16, 2004
Views: 3802
germany/austria

Germany and Austria are truly the most exciting countries. In both cases you are allowed to have diplomatic relations with every other nation. For germany, both england and france are begging for your help. France knows england is its biggest naval threat, and in englands case, he cant win without conquering france. Germany also has control of russia because of the sweden situation, has two even 3 builds, can effect the belgium situation. By far the most entertaining nation to play. Austria mean while has to deal with the tempting balkans, but always has a gauranteed build.


Posted By: Steve

Posted On: Mar 17, 2004
Views: 4389
England is the way to go

I have never seen Germany get past 6 centers. I prefer the western arena to the eastern one, because is is open and you have more options. Many people have commented that Turkey is in a great defensive position, but England is almost impenetrable if you are even somewhat competant. An attack on Germany is simple, and while France is busy building armies, it is easy to attack from two sides with Italy joining in. Then, you find that as England you have twice the navy of the ITalians, and you can turn the corner and take the Italian centers as well, while at the same time taking St. Pete's, which leaves no powers in the north that can oppose you.


Posted By: daryl

Posted On: Mar 12, 2004
Views: 4022
germany

I agree with Andrew. You will have noticed Germany is black in colour, and is most usually coloured as grey or black in all maps, making its expansion more feared. No matter how well they "diplome", one cannot help but distrust it and fear its expansion. However, it is without doubt the best country to play, as it has to deal with everyone, but also not face the cringingly uphill struggle of surviving as Austria Hungary.,


Posted By: George K

Posted On: Mar 10, 2004
Views: 4067
Turkey

I think turkey's great im in a game at the moment where im pinned in against the wall, just 4 units surounding the black sea, with a convey from france, coming, Austria through an alliance with russia owns all of the balkins, and im stuck in the middle, but all in all im in a good position with an army in Sev ready to strike at Moscow.... i love turkey! Italy on the other hand is not my favorite, france on one border, who can get spain and portugal with the snap of a finger, and you left only to ocupy tunis and greece once in a while

Plz correct me if i am in error, as i have only played a few games in my time


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