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Posted By: Charles

Posted On: Dec 16, 2003
Views: 4928
Turkey!

I greatly dislike playing Turkey. I like playing centrally located Germany or Austria. With those two nations, Diplomacy REALLY comes into its own and is at its best. Turkey is such an unspectacular affair. Stuck in a corner or steamrolling. If find fighting from the centre to the edge simply more interesting than the reverse.

Not much of a fan of Britain either (for some reason called England by Calhamer...). Italy isn't really my cup of tea either.


Posted By: Matthijs van Staalduine

Posted On: Dec 15, 2003
Views: 4739
Italy isn't so bad

The way to play Italy is to do something unexpected. Work through the seas. While I recognize the fact Italy has little to bargain with, the suprise element it offers can turn the tides on many games.
But take a gamble. Very few people will attack Italy in the beginning, so use all your resources and start convoying to Turkey, Greece or Iberia.


Posted By: Sham

Posted On: Nov 27, 2003
Views: 4751
Austria, Italy and other forms of Certain Doom

The only country I've ever played where I haven't had reason to attack Austria early on (whether I actually did in the end or not) was Germany, who ends up constricted by Austria later on anyway. Clearly not a very nice position strategically, but hundreds of opportunities for the good diplomat ("help me, or X, Y and Z will all get more powerful...")

Italy, on the other hand, has less to fear from invaders, being such a painful shape to get anything into, but has two disadvantages where Austria only has the one. Firstly, it's also painful to try and get out of Italy, as most SCs, with the exception of Tunis, are easily stolen by others. Secondly, Italy doesn't have nearly as much diplomatic clout as Austria in the beginning, being nothing more useful than a barrier between France and Austria.


Posted By: Daryl

Posted On: Nov 22, 2003
Views: 4794
Italy

If Italy and Austria are the worst, they should (ideally) stick together from the off.
In my recent game, Italy was allowed a convoy into greece and looks set to dominate the Med with 3 fleets, the original in Naples, and 2 more from Tunis and Greece.
I concede that there may be problems with the Trieste-Venice border, but with a constant standoff between the two units there should keep both happy. I also recognise that they don't make perfect allies, but from what I've learned Austria is content to just survive with an ally whilsy Italy, more than happy to drag itself into the Balkans with 5 SCs instead of the dreaded, and boring, 4.
brentmeister-general@hotmail.com


Posted By: Locke

Posted On: Nov 15, 2003
Views: 4922
Austria-Hungary

Having won with Austria-Hungary (once) I am still of the opinion that it is more trouble than it is worth, having seen better players than myself completely dismantled. Often good players are in a worse position with AH than others because rivals see the opportunity to knock a dangerous player out of the game early.
On the other side, I quite like Italy. I think it is because I like the sunny Mediterranean beaches...


Posted By: carl majeau

Posted On: Nov 14, 2003
Views: 4580
RE: Austria?

i agree, im going to try a austria/russia alliance tomorrow


Posted By: carl majeau

Posted On: Nov 14, 2003
Views: 4350
austria

I really like playing austria and hate france. i got 10 s.cs playing austria once


Posted By: Daryl

Posted On: Nov 4, 2003
Views: 4434
Otto's Turkey

I was amused to read Otto's comment of upon gaining 6 units "then who can stop you?!"
In saying this, i totally agree. Turkey's defensive postion at the start is superb and less liable and therefore less luring to an attack. The corner position is muh criticised on these polls, but initially, isn't safety all your after?
In my limited diplo experience, Turkey is strong and not a huge difficulty to move armies into central Europe. Perhaps anti-Turkey voters should explain what the corner position does to stop you winning the game?


Posted By: Otto

Posted On: Nov 3, 2003
Views: 4430
Turkey

Turkey is in a great defensive position, if a limited offensive one, so the impatient player my be frustrated by Turkey.
But a player with patience, negotiating and movement skill can get to 6 units, and then who can stop you!
Every time I play with Turkey (last time a win) I do well.


Posted By: Daryl

Posted On: Oct 30, 2003
Views: 4568
France

I take it by inversing this poll, France is the country people would most like to play. England's attack on France is better than that on Germany, and as for Germany, they can't be bothered, like France, to build up a sufficient navy AT THE START to oppose Britain.
To get 2 builds with France in the first year leaves the position rather stretched. Either you have used your 2 armies therefore leaving burgundy open for the Huns to waltz in, or you have used your fleet leaving the English an offering of a way into Europe.
Taking Belgium and perhaps one of the southern supply centres would probably work, but this falls down to co-operation from England or Germany. With the channel and burgundy exposed, the temptation for an Anglo-German alliance may prove to strong.

p.s. Does anyone know of somewhere where i can play diplo online where it actually works or is interested in an email game adjudicated by ourselves, please email me.


Posted By: Jeff R

Posted On: Oct 29, 2003
Views: 4292
Austria?

How is austria or turkey that bad?

Austria can make quite the alliance with Russia or Turkey... better off with Russia. German nationalism and a wise italy usually help Austria survive, if not win.

France and Italy suck. Once Italy and Germany gang up on france and show how easy it is to dismantle, it really starts to suck. Iberia, shmeria...

Anyone in the phoenix area looking for players, email me. I can get a nice group almost any day of the week.

Jeff


Posted By: The Corporal

Posted On: Oct 27, 2003
Views: 4302
Italy Supreme

Italy is one of the most interesting countries to play. If you're looking for a quick result and some points for a ranking, the negative attitude towards this Great Power might be understood, but the real Diplomacy player is usually more interested in a challeging game than in a snappy victory.


Posted By: Virginie

Posted On: Oct 2, 2003
Views: 4947
Austria...yeah...

A few years back I was of the same opinion as Odysseus so I've really focused on playing Austria as much as I could. My conclusion is that although you can sometimes work you way out, your elimination is much more a consequence of being an easy target for your neighbours then of your lack of skills.
Every now and then you'll have a good game, Italy will be busy on the west side and Tukey/Russia would be wasting time together but this is *very* rarely (although not all the time) irrelevant to what you did or didn't do.

Just an opinion based on many attempts at proving that Austria had just as much potential as Italy.

Virginie


Posted By: Aerendar Valandil

Posted On: Oct 1, 2003
Views: 4971
Poll

Austria and Italy are IMO very interesting to play, more so than Turkey. You're in such a damn corner.


Posted By: Odysseus

Posted On: Sep 29, 2003
Views: 4961
PANSIES!!!!

You are a bunch of pansies! Granted, Austria is nearly impossible to play for the average player, but you are in the center of the action. It is a true test of a Diplomacy player.


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