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| Posted By: Prabhat Sinha Posted On: Mar 3, 2005 Views: 796 | Sanatan Bhaiya Sanatan Bhaiya, 1) from my more than 50 postings, your attention was drawn to "...maro juta". This is only symbolic. Please read what I have been constantly saying. What I mean to say that when public become alert then our current generation of politicians (politician has become a bad word and khadi-kurta has become dress of criminals) will fear public. 2) I have always been saying that if living standard of people in general improves, they will not accept any kind of justice. I will repeat my already repeated example - Once I was traveling in a general bogey of a train from Mumbai to Patna. The general bogey was full of poor people mostly laborers. When TTE came, he asked me "Sir! Ticket please" in a polite manner while the same TTE asked a poor person "chal ticket nikal" in a rude manner. The TTE did not know our caste. But from look, I definitely appeared better off to the TTE. Now there may be two approaches - 1) Bring change in the mindset of the TTE so that he does not discriminate or 2) Bring change so that the poor is no longer poor. The 2nd option is feasible while 1st is beyond govt. 3) Due to a non-political entity called Manmohan things are moving in this direction. You see, till yesterday Kolkata was a ver bad name of industrialist, now it is 1 of the most sought after names for investment irrespective of same red govt. in state. Politicians are fast loosing hold on public, we don't depend on them for our daily life. You need phone, go to market buy it. period. No "pairvi" 4) Educated people should show that they are neutral otherwise whatever degree you have you will be known as Bhumihar, Yadav, Rajput,Kurmi, kayasth...etc. and thus you have limited influence on mass. Then what is the difference between Bhumihar engineer and Criminal Yadav ???????? 5) I am spreading things like don't think on political line. Think on national line. Jai Bihar. |
| Posted By: Pappu Yadav Posted On: Mar 3, 2005 Views: 799 | Anil Kumar Ji Dear friends: Sorry, for using the word saffronized. But if you r not a sycophant of Madam AND a Hindu then you r an RSS man and communal and saffronized. I am very sick and tired of sycophants calling names to their Indian brothers and sisters. Their all effort is divide the country on these lines and this happens in India till it is divided again. I agree with you, if they (sonia and Rahul) are that honest and forthcoming they can come in public and declare their qualifications? It will not effect their political bank balance. every1 knows the qualification of Rabri Devi and Varun Gandhi. But who knows the degrees of Sonia, rahul and priyanka. But every1 has Harvard, Cambridge associated with them. BTW, when Nitesh was invited for CM of Bihar in 2000, every constitution was on his side and he had support of independents. But thanks to lawlessness of Bihar, Taslimuddin (now freed by Rabri to repeat history) locked every independent in lock and key in a Patna Hotel and he and his goons were keeping an eye on them. Same thing Taslimuddin plan to do this time too and he made open statement. Thanks God, Advani knew and preplanned to take independent out of Jharkhand, otherwise Congress was all right. Even after all these Soren, late evening Soren thanked Sonia in media for making him CM. Honest p[politicians are very helpless in today strategic plans of Sonia, it is like old emergency. May God bless people with criminal KARMA! |
| Posted By: Anil Kumar Posted On: Mar 3, 2005 Views: 798 | Rajeev Mishraji : will u care to throw light on why ur beloved parties MLA are in Gopalganj Jail.. Amarnath Yadav and Satyadeoram.. U have been singing since days how CPI (ML) L is not usual communist.... would like to know... |
| Posted By: Prabhat Sinha Posted On: Mar 3, 2005 Views: 798 | Pappu Bhai Why are you calling me "sycophant"? You don't want to discuss my points, it's OK. You read my postings where I suggested that ruling party should get absolute majority to come back to power (as election can be seen as voting on performance). The heading of that postings was "New Idea". As Anil Babu suggested "no more than 2 terms for any party" and you were checking US systems. If we don't exchange ideas then what is the discussion for ?????? Now reapeting already floated ideas is not sycophancy but giving new idea is sycophancy. I am repeatedly saying that I am a Bihari citizen of India. Period. Jai Bihar. |
| Posted By: SANATAN Posted On: Mar 3, 2005 Views: 790 | Mr Anil and Mr Prabhat Sirs, I really appreciate both of you as a thorough scholar on Bihar. I guess this is not a forum to prove our intellectual abilities on certain issue. What our main goal her is How to improve Bihar?. Why we are so much focusing on NDA and Congress????? instead of the things what needs to be done in our beloved state. I bet at the end of discussion we all can come together and formulate a plan and submite it to which ever government is installed in Bihar. Please ...its time to do something not fighting on certain past issues. Jai Bihar Sanatan Shreay |
| Posted By: Anil Kumar Posted On: Mar 3, 2005 Views: 790 | Wah kya dharna hai Jahan bhi dekho neta wahin maro chaar juta.. neta penr se nahin tapkate hain.. hamin aap ke bich se aate hain.. |
| Posted By: Anil Kumar Posted On: Mar 3, 2005 Views: 783 | You have not shown me even single instance where this norm of first invitation to biggest pre-poll alliance or party was not followed........... Yes I am not talking about congressi precedence they are capaable of anything... |
| Posted By: Mr Pappu Yadav Posted On: Mar 3, 2005 Views: 778 | Link Mr Pappu Yadv, It will be nice if you provide me a link where our beloved president Dr kalam angry picture is posted. I am just curious to see it. Jai Bihar, Sanatan |
| Posted By: Anil Kumar Posted On: Mar 3, 2005 Views: 776 | Prabhat Constitution if had all the words in lucid fashion there was no need of interpreter of constition like Nani palkiwala...Any fool can read it and say do this... When Vajpeyee was invited by president ( K. R. narayanan or S D. sharma) whoever he was certainly was nto BJP man because before that BJP never was in power, did u hear this uproar of democracy murdered.. No.. So whatever he did was and is considered constitutional norm........ IN absence of clear majority that's what was and is being done.. Moral of the story constitution is not child's book where each and every term is lucidly articulated. it needs interpretation and after through interpretation by stalwarts llike PalkiWala that's what has been accepted as norm.. Biggest of pre-poll alliance or party gets invited.. |
| Posted By: Pappu Yadav Posted On: Mar 3, 2005 Views: 771 | How will political career of Rahul will shape now Dear friends: I don't want to discuss insanity of Prabhat Bhai anymore. In fact, I never replied to his sycophancy. When the guy says that BJP-JD(U) got 36 MLAs in Jharkhand that means 81-36 = 45 is opposing them, hence they can't come in power. For me, I am no more interested to discuss insanity. My concern is how the political career of Rahull will shape up now or how insane dharana with two dozen young MPs will effect it. What will happen in Bihar??? |
| Posted By: Anil Kumar Posted On: Mar 3, 2005 Views: 815 | Pappu Yadavji So you actually mean real history, when u say saffronized history.. even in this case you have idnetified that the real turn of events are nto being reported.. This happens in real time reporting just imagine what these psec press will write about the same incident 10 years from now.. They will totally dilute the murder... So what u identify as saffronisation of history is basically: factual history... Psecs would like you to believe Guru Arjun Dev was a thug, Jats are dacoits ... Aurangjeb was secular.. Whereas fact is Sikh gurus were killed because they could not perfrom some chamtkar in Moghul Darbaar, and what to say about Aurangjeb even seemingly secular Akbar had limitation of tolerance towards other religion.. So much so that his wife Jodha Bai being a kafir was not allowed to breast-feed her own child lest his blodd might get dirtied .. SO much so that when Jodha Bai died since her funeral was observed in hindu fashion neither he nor her son attended that.... In parts of Kishanganj where Tasleemudden's writ runs even today burning of corpse as per hindu ritual is not allowed because it offends minority who are locally in majority there.. ( If anyone doubts me I exhort him/her to visit kishanganj and see it first hand).. Brutal fact is India is secular because it's Hindu majority the day India ceases to be Hindu majority it will cease to be secular... Other than Malaysia and Turkey, that too in name, no muslim majority country even pretends to be secular, and this certainly can't bea coincidence. Tolerance for others has never been their ethos... Anyway we have more pressing problms right now which is development of Bihar so other things can be put on back-burner for now.. May god help this mankind.. |
| Posted By: Prabhat Sinha Posted On: Mar 3, 2005 Views: 813 | Anil Babu Constitution does not have words like pre-poll and post-poll alliance. Please read constitution. 1) If a state cannot get a govt.(example - fractured mandate) , president rule "can" be a temperory solution. BUT at centre there has to be a govt. . There is NO provision of President rule at centre. So don't compare centre with state. Centre cannot be a single day without a govt. (Then President gave opportunity to Vajpayee to disproove Vajpayee's majority. Aftrer 13 days, New post-poll alliance govt. came and none criticized President). 2) Governor has to judge who can provide stable govt.- this is in constitution. (Not on bais of only pre-poll BUT post-poll alliance is also important) A fraud Governor like Razi took advantage of this. There are many examples that the largest pre-poll alliance could not prove majority but post-poll alliance got the majority. There is no pre-poll alliance between JD(U) and LJP but they may form govt. in Bihar. Like BJP did in UP with Mayawati. Be bold enough to call spade a spade. Increase your credibility that you are for Nation not for party B or Party C. Jai Bihar. |
| Posted By: Anil Kumar Posted On: Mar 3, 2005 Views: 820 | Once again constitutional norm says biggest of pre-poll alliance or party gets to be invited for the giovt. formation.. IF not for this rule Vajpeyee would never have been PM for 13 days in very first atempt after which he lost on floor of parliament... Whether a biggest pre-poll alliance has majority or not is decided in assembly house or parliament not in Raj Bhawan or president's house.. And in Bihar the governor was following the fully detailed norm when he invited Nitish so don;t obfuscate matter in order to dilute the murder by congressi , by saying that NDa did that too.. NDA strictly followed the constitutional precedence... Psecs have this habit of clubbign everybody together when they see congressi are in deep ****. Words like all politicians are same are thrown around in order to make sure that congressi don't look like the murderer of democracy as they are.. they have always bene, this is not the first incident.. Anyone who expects anythingetter from a party which brought a black spot on spotless democratic record of India in the form of emergency is living in fool's paradise.. My personal view is arrogance of congressi comes from Nehru family. India willbe better off if this clan is kept far away from office. what these nehru kids have to offer anyway.. Sonia Gandhi: Not even matriculate says it all about her Rajeev Gandhi: Cheat who claims to have M Phil without having bachelor's degree Priyanka Gandhi: does anyone even know what her qualification is... I wonder why we Indians keep falling upon these totally incompetent guys even when all they offer is arrogance driven stupidity in name of governance.. |
| Posted By: Sanatan Posted On: Mar 3, 2005 Views: 795 | Mr Prabahat Sir, I would like to see no Jutta bazi between public and politician. I would like all the people, whether they agree to each other or not, atleast to be high on moral. Its difficult thing in our state were people have to struggle for two times bread. But dear friends, this would be only way to solve the problem. I did my under graduation in Karnataka. Things in Bihar and Karnataka were pretty much same 30 years back. Its my first hand experience, I have stayed there for 4 years, that people are very much tolerant. I mean I never saw, any ANTTA GOPE, BHINDI SINGH, or GOLU DON. There were some but not that en mass which will affect common people in general. Now, I dont like this idea of Jutta baazi because this has created social injustice and intolerance in our society. Even if we dont like any particular party or people we must patiently justify and prove the things. Once a minimum standard of social tolerance is achieved than things will be different. How we will know this that level has been achieved? Well, following can be the indicator- 1. A person, whoever he is related readily shows his licensee to traffic constable. If he has no license, he should pay the fine. 2. A person gives appropriate fare to auto and rickshaw walla without doing kich -kich , ofcourse there should be a standard fare for everything. 3.If you rarely see a teenager spitting gutka on the sidewalk. (By the way gutka is banned in Bihar, I bet people must have stopped eating?) 4.Girls are freely traveling on the road (I understand boys will flirt, but there should be decency) 5.When you board a bus and you won't find any paper or handkerchief that indicates that sit is already reserved. 6.You go to cinema hall and find a perfect line without worrying much of black ticketers (I know black ticketers will be there but atleast they should not be standing next to a policeman) When you see these things straighten out, definitely our moral standard will increase. Now, if a society will have a common moral standard the leader that it will choose or vote will too have that thing. Friends, I dont think that there will be any need to scare those politician, What do you all think? Sanatan Shreay USA. |
| Posted By: Anil Kumar Posted On: Mar 3, 2005 Views: 799 | Prabhat don't spread the lie psecs like u have this habit of diluting the murder by propping up bogey like NDa did this too.. For the millionth time NDA at the time of nitihs was largest pre-poll alliance and governor followed the norm.. .. that's how things are done in INDia.. Even Vajpeyee was invoted and was Pm for 14 days because he was the largest of pre-poll allliance or a party ... test of majority is done on assembly floor not in Raj Bhawan or Rashtrapti Bhawan.. do nto obfuscate issue by quoting somethign which was not unconstitutional whatsover.. If I go by your logic then even Vajpeyee was wrongly invited.... Once again: largest of pre-poll alliance or party is invited to form the govt every time that's the norm... To any sane person this makes complete sense. |
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