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Posted By: A. K. Verma Posted On: Jan 27, 2004 Views: 477	Lalooa Rajesh, do not get infuriated by reading Lalooa. It is a great name. I am just trying to point out that there is nothing wrong in calling somebody by Lalooa if his name happens to be Laloo. People take it this name in a good sense of humor. Your leader is a symbol of "Joker" and you know what a joker does, he entertains people and so do Lalooa. On a serious note, Rajesh seems to be somehow preoccupied with Bhumihar and for no good reason will bring Bhumihars in his comments. The rise of Ranbir Sena or for sake any other caste army (there are several of them; even the yadavas have Lorik sena) is the direct result of the failure of local Law and Order at the lowest level. The people have every right to defend themselves when the local govt fails to protect the innocents. The naxalites used to attack and kill Bhumihars due to blind eye of Laloo's govt and it took few years for Bhumihars to realise and when they realized and got organized, you know the results. Now, the naxalites can not even dare to challenge the Bhumihars and when they do, they get befitting reply. So, do not compare that yadavas gave befitting reply to Bhumihars, rather it were Bhumihars, who started giving befitting reply to Naxals or other criminals and thus broght down the atrocities of Naxals. By the way, these Naxals are nothing but a group of Thugs and goonds under the banner of Naxalites. They will be brought to justice and they will also surrender. We do not need so called communists in our society. We have seen the result of communist rule in Russia. China is trying its best to change it slowly so that they do not face the same problem as Russia did. I peronally know many Bhumihars and they are the greatest people I have met. They are very loyal and best friend you can have. They are intelligent, industrious, enterpreneurs and dedicated scientists beynod Bihar and India. They are everywhere by their hard work and dedication to achieve in life. My suggestion to you Rajesh that you just make one good friend from Bhumihar community and you will see how you will be proud of them as I am.
Posted By: Neena Prasad Posted On: Jan 27, 2004 Views: 491	To All mentally sick people like Rajesh I know it is simply waste of my time when I am writing this comment for mentally sick people like Rajesh and others, who consider the misdeeds of Laloo and his goons as the great art works by antisocial elements and how they are changing Bihar (unfortunately they know it has degraded Bihar) for worst. It seems the worst is yet to come as these criminal mentality people will exis in Bihar and keep their loyality to Laloo. Earlier, I read a comment by Rajesh that he did not see any Law and Order problem when he visited Bodh Gaya and Nalanda etc. Rajesh, you know why you were not able to see because the criminals knew that you are one of them. I do not know how did they recognize you; may be due to your face or dress or your language but somehow they knew that you belong to them. So, your all nonsense arguements have know meaning. You keep bringing Bhumihars in your comments. Be careful. They are the best of Bihar and they have shown Laloo and his goons how powerful they are in every respect. Laloo has almost surrendered before Bhumihars and to please them, he organized a big Meeting of Bhumihar (organized by Awadhesh Singh, a bhumihar minister in his Govt) and told the audience that he respects Bhumihar, he is friend and not the enemy of Bhumihar. The Bhumihars are fighting these criminals of Laloo on their own and they have every right to defend themselves as the govt of Laloo patronize these criminals. When the yadavas like you were busy in milking buffalo, they were fighting Britishers and today again they are fighting the goons of Laloo. There is nothing wrong to take arms to defend yourselves. If you have ever read history book, Guru Govind Singh organized the people to fight the misdeeds of Auragjeb when he was busy in converting hindus to muslim religion and the brigade of Guru Govind Singh defeated Auragjeb. So the Bhumihars will defeat these criminals and make Bihar a Great State. Stop all the nonsense and bring Bhumihars in your arguements, otherwise ..........?????????
Posted By: pravin Posted On: Jan 27, 2004 Views: 515	To Shahid Mr Shahid, I don't mind what ever you talk about Laloo, but stop talking any thing about Nitish Kumar. You have mentioned the Gujarat episode. Being a parter of BJP in government, what ever Nitish Kumar had done during Gujarat episode was an exemplary. There was a rumour that the Passengers who got killed in train were not KAR SEVAK. In order to give a clear picture Nitish Kumar made Reservation Chart public to media. He also sent Railway employees to house of each and every one mentioned in Reservation Chart to make sure the picture more clear to everyone. Mr. Shahid, you can also remember the moment when RSS were try to do a "Kalas Yatra" from Gujarat to Kashi inorder to submerge the Ashes of Kar Sevak devotee killed in train incident. It was Nitsh Kumar who fought against this non sense move of RSS where RSS was trying to bring communal move before UP election. In result of Nitish Kumar's protest RSS finaly dropped the idea. If you have any thing else in mind against Nitish Kumar please feel free to put it here, I'll clarify each and every doubt immediately, so that you won't keep bad impression for this Great leader from Bihar.
Posted By: Shahid Posted On: Jan 27, 2004 Views: 508	To all good people Thanks for these all valuable comments and regards to u all. I saw lot of comments in support and against Lalu Parshad, but we bieng member of minority community can support any one else than Lalu parshad who made atleast a satisfactory level of communal harmony, when we saw these all developments work and communal rights in other place, we r bound to support Lalu Parshad, we can not go for any other than him. We saw Nitish kumar even at the time of gujrat eposide, he never even made a sound voice against this. We r thankfull to lalu parshad and his party who is trying hard to check these forces, so we feel more safer than other place. Criminals r every where without cast and riligion. Good buy
Posted By: Rajesh Posted On: Jan 26, 2004 Views: 568	Crime and caste Kajole and Ranjana eluded to individual or most heard of incidence of crimes. They are committed by both upper and lower castes. Victims also belong to all castes. But there is another pattern of crime which is purely caste based. Most prominent is the systematic and violent persecution of Dalits and extreme low castes by certain upper castes and sometimes dominant backward class. Here the criminals are not individuals but run in the community. Here even the most violent crimes are not considered bad but duty to the caste interest. Ranbir sena chief Brahmeswar Singh is considered hero in large part of Bhumihars. Now how to stop this systematic caste based crimes? I don't think administration or police is answer. It is impossible to tackle even by most efficient police force. The solution lies within the victim community themselves. They have to become strong. Here is a success story. There used to be similar master/slave relationship between Bhumihars and Yadavs, later being victim. Last time Bhumihars ran deadly raid in Yadav's village was Parasbigha in Gaya/Aurangabad district. But for a change Bhumihars got fitting reply in Dohia, a Bhumihar village. Nobody heard of Bhumihar-Yadav group clash after that incidence. This kind of remedy does not look very civilized, but it works. Now it is time for Dalits. In villages of Bihar or anywhere in the country, it is might that matters. It is not America where a single mother can go out vote freely.
Posted By: Pradeep Posted On: Jan 26, 2004 Views: 555	Rajesh and Prabhat Rajesh and Prabhat -- Just shut up. You do not know what are yoy talking about and you keep blabbering. At one point of time you are defending something and other point of time you are for exactly opposite view. Do not just post messages for the sake of posting, post only if you have a point. You both are pointless. You just want to wave something -- just like the tail of dog. Kajol is perfectly right in her statistics. It won't take more than two minutes for anybody on internet to verify those percentage figures. Ranjana has very carefully put the name of two upper caste criminals. I am sure she doesn't know the third name from upper caste. Do you want me to put names of Yadavs and Muslim criminals -- the pages of this site won't be sufficient. May some sense prevail on people like Rajesh, Prabhat and Ranjana.
Posted By: Rajesh Posted On: Jan 26, 2004 Views: 565	Crime in Bihar Thanks Prabhat for taking stand about unfair projection of Bihar. We all know how Bihar took economic hit when the state got bifurcated. Now that all the industries are gone, tourism is the main hope for non-agragarian employment. It doesn't help when we project Bihar as violent and lawless state. I have been to Bodh Gaya and Nalanda recently and came back without experiencing the lawlessness that make daily headlines. You just need to avoid wrong places in wrong time like everywhere around the world. Roads and power situation was bad but the people were helpful.
Posted By: N Sahi Posted On: Jan 26, 2004 Views: 506	Rajesh has a friend Rajesh, Good for you. You have a friend, called Prabhat. Mr Sahay seems to be wrong when he wrote that you will left alone. Mr. Prabhat, the situation in Bihar is so bad that recently one of my friend, who visited Bihar told me that his family has to move him quietely to some safe place because the local goons came to know about him that he lives abroad. He just escaped by few hours as the goons kidnapped somebody else in stead of him. It is a real story and I will not disclose more than this. You believe it or not. There are people like Rajesh and you, who can compare Bihar to some state in Africa and feel good about Bihar. But in reality, it is not a safe place for the people who are doing well in their career and have prospered. Why people do not want to invest in Bihar? Recently, Laloo or one of his Govt ministry organized a meeting of enterpreneurs and at the end of the Meeting, they asked Laloo to improve the Law and Order situation of Bihar, otherwise it is too risky to invest in Bihar. I know that this world is not heaven and there will be criminals and that is why every civilized society has judicial system to punish these criminals. By the way, have you read the news that Ashok Yadav, who molested the tourists from J&K is absconding and at the same has been elected Chairman of Water Board of Patna because of his connections with Laloo and his other goons. Anyway, good for you if you think that Bihar is a good place to live. God Bless you and your friend Rajesh.
Posted By: Prabhat Posted On: Jan 26, 2004 Views: 503	Bad achha, Badnaam buraa I am not saying that Bihar is crimeless but i agree with words of rajesh "I agree that it is high in Bihar but I argue that it is not at high side compared to other states. Delhi has much higher police/public ratio but much higher rate of crime. Crimes in Bihar is projected as crisis in the country thanks to the biased press. Read this news and imagine the reaction from the people and media if it had happened somewhere in Bihar.......! ----------------------------------------- PM's grandnephew thrown out of train January 26, 2004 19:07 IST Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's grandnephew was killed when some youths threw him out of a running train near Kosikalan in Uttar Pradesh's Mathura district on Sunday, according to a police spokesperson in Lucknow. Manish Mishra, grandson of Vajpayee's sister Vimla Mishra, and two of his friends had tried to prevent the youths from teasing some girls travelling in the Chhattisgarh Express, he said on Monday. --------------------------------------- Hope you will think for sometime and will not be too much reactive.
Posted By: Akhouri P Sahay Posted On: Jan 26, 2004 Views: 484	To Rajesh ............By the way people will then call you by different names. Just few examples: insane, crazy, gone mad, lost balance, idiot, fool and so on. These are some of your future Awards and perhaps Laloo will give you these awards if he will be still alive and ruling Bihar by proxy.
Posted By: Akhouri P Sahay Posted On: Jan 26, 2004 Views: 472	Idiot Rajesh I was reading some of the comments made by people in Bihartimes and came to know that there is only one person, call himself Rajesh, who just does not see degradation of Bihar and tirelessly trying to defend Laloo and his goons by his idiotic logics that are just garbage. Just few minutes ago, he wrote that law and order situation is not bad in Bihar and he tried to compare Delhi. I do not know what kind of person he is. Kajol has right written for him "There is a very common saying in Bihar "Kutte ke dum kabhi sidhe nahi hote (the tail of a dog can never be straightened)". Rajesh enjoy your fantassy and live in the world and brotherhod of Laloo. There will be a time in your life when you will find yourself alone defending Lalooa and his goons.
Posted By: Rajesh Posted On: Jan 26, 2004 Views: 469	Crime in Bihar Crime in Bihar seems to be making daily headlines in the press. But is Bihar unique in this repect? I agree that it is high in Bihar but I argue that it is not at high side compared to other states. Delhi has much higher police/public ratio but much higher rate of crime. Crimes in Bihar is projected as crisis in the country thanks to the biased press. In international arena, Gujrat is viewed as lawless state, not Bihar. Another note - law and order can and should become election issue but it must not become basis for the dismisal of governments (president rule). Last time the government (Laloo's) was dismissed and president rule was imposed when some Dalits were killed by Ranbir sena. The bandits now know how to get rid of unfriendly administration.
Posted By: Kajol Gupta Posted On: Jan 26, 2004 Views: 468	To ranjana Dear Ranjana, My statistics is based on the records that have been in the press for more than five years. I do not say that there are no criminals in upper castes. I kept those upper caste criminals in 20%. If you are ardent reader of news papers, you will find out very easily. You will need to have patiience and dedication for this work. Have you read the comments of Governor of Bihar on the Republic Day? It is a fact that people are afraid of going Bihar from out of state and if they go, they go so quitely that no body will know. And you know the reason for this. They do not want to endanger their life. They want to live and enjoy this beautiful life God has given. Thanks anyway.
Posted By: Ranjana Posted On: Jan 26, 2004 Views: 471	A note for kajole.. kajol, I am thinking in line of you but reject your lines for Rajesh"You know that more than 80% criminals in Bihar belong to Yadav (60%) and muslim (20%) communities and you know very well the reasons" what is the basis of stating this statistics? do you know that many crimanals belongs from the upper casts and they have managed to take seat in the house? Munna sukla, Rama singh etc are few examples.where would you like to put them in your statistics? In facts, such names are the ideals among their casts.Please dont include cast names and the statistics until u know them carefully. Hope you will argue further in neutral manner:-)
Posted By: Kajol Gupta Posted On: Jan 26, 2004 Views: 480	To Rajesh There is a very common saying in Bihar "Kutte ke dum kabhi sidhe nahi hote (the tail of a dog can never be straightened)". I do not want to compare you with a dog but I would like to make point that it is not the RSS, BJP, Brahmin, Bhumihar, Upper caste people, who are creating a band of criminals in Bihar but Laloo and his patronage to criminals. You know that more than 80% criminals in Bihar belong to Yadav (60%) and muslim (20%) communities and you know very well the reasons. You may also be knowing that more than 80% of criminals never die a normal death and most probably killed by his own fellow men. So, what do you think will happen to these criminals? Who will kill them; not Brahmin, not Bhumihar, not upper caste but either yadavas or muslims themselves. People will call Laloo as Lalooa until he will act like that. Why people never called Karpoori Thakur as Karpooria? He was respected by every community in Bihar. His staunchest supporter was a Bhumihar (Kapil Dev Singh) and their friendship was great. Why people do not call Nitish Kumar as Nitishwa although he also belong to backward community? Laloo has brought disrepect to himself by his behaviors and actions. Kumar has also tried to make a good point bringing the comments of the Governor of Bihar. You know that one day earlier, the High Court made a comment that Bihar is the most fittest case for the President rule. I have read your comments which are nothing but garbage. Grow up and take responsibility. Bihar can be brought to normalcy within a year and it will be. Just wait for some more time.

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