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Posted By: B.K. Singh Posted On: Feb 2, 2004 Views: 659	Rajesh, please. Enough is enough! Rajesh: Please stop the nonsense. You sound nothing more than a brainwashed, mind-numb communist robot with absolutely no brain of your own. You are shooting yourself in your feet by making wrong assumptions and making statements that you know are wrong but you are so obsessed with this so-called criminal organization otherwise known as 'Naxalites' that you are going way out of line to justify the killings undertaken by it in the garb of condemning Ranvir Sena. First, let's put some facts straight: 1. You are a Hindu-hater as is clear from your statment, "It is typical caste hindu arrogance that must be resisted." 2. You are a Naxalite yourself. You call murders by Naxalite as "Naxalite struggle" but condemn killings by others if it does not suit your personal and political agenda. 3. You try to justify murders by Naxalites by hiding behind the assertion that the Ranvir Sena kills women and children and thus that somehow makes Naxalites a better breed of "criminals" than Ranvir Sena. You have said it yourself and don't tell me I am trying to twist your statements. 4. You have a strong hatred for people who are rich and affluent and who have worked hard and sacrificed a lot to make a good, decent living for themselves and their family members. The fact of the matter is, you have been thoroughly brainwashed by the leftists, communists, no good, self-proclaimed guardian of democracy who cannot stand people prospering and enjoying a good life because you, like the rest of the communists and Naxalites, have come to believe that if someone is rich, affluent and successful, he or she must have gotten there by exploiting some 'poor, hapless soul' like yourself. You also believe that the rich people MUST share their wealth with those who don't have anything. In other words, the idiots and lazy people should do nothing but when it comes to sharing the success pie, they deserve their own share. And if someone refuses to part with their wealth with these idiot and lazy people then he or she must be treated as their enemy and, therefore, must be killed in the name of "struggle". I have nothing against sharing wealth but that should be a personal decision and not forced upon by groups like Naxalites which is what you seem to believe. Before you jump all over me again, let me make it very clear that Ranvir Sena is also a gang of criminals and terrorists - yes, a gang of criminals and terrorists. Anyone who takes the nation's laws in his or her own hand is a criminal by definition. They also deserve the same punishment that any ordinary criminal, murderer, kidnapper or rapist deserves. So, please, refrain from branding me as a 'casteist, or a supporter of Ranvir Sena. Having said that, do you have a clue as to how many people have been butchered by these criminals you call Naxalites in the entire nation? Naxalites are in most states including Bihar, West Bengal, Jharkhand, Orissa and most southern states, not to mention Nepal. They have been on killing spree since late-Sixties and early-Seventies. Do you know what the numbers are for the last four decades as far as people killed by these Naxalites in all these states are concerned? And do you know how many people the Ranvir Sena has killed? Your approach, however, is that when Naxalites kill, that's a 'struggle', when Ranvir Sena kills, that's violence, abhorable, and a crime. Most sensible people's approach is that both are equally bad. Both engage in killings. Let me ask you this: If Ranvir Sena had not engaged itself in killing women and children and had targeted only men, would that have made them a "better" criminal outfit in your opinion than what they are now? After reading through your tirade, apparently your answer would be in affirmative. You talk about Hitler and Bin Laden but I have yet to see any comment by you condemning the Palestinian terrorists who wrap bombs in their women and children's body and blow up buses and night clubs in Israel killing more women and children. Why don't you criticize them? Oh, I see. They are in a 'struggle' like our very own Naxalites so everything is justified. You talk about Naxalite 'struggle'. What struggle are you referring to? Naxalites are not rich? They live in poverty? They don't have lands? They are not educated? Well, pray tell, who's responsible for that? I know you will put the blames on everyone else including the upper caste people, the Hindus, George Bush, Vajpayee, Laloo, Nitish, the state government, the central government, the cats, the dogs, or even God, BUT these terrorists. For your information, these idiots have CHOSEN not to work and make an honest, decent living because Communism thrives on poverty, ignorance and brainwashing. Others, on the other hand, have no time to be jealous of other peoples' wealth and success and they get up every morning and go to work so they can support their family and be successful in life. Lal Bahadur Shastri came from a very humble economic background but he overcame his poverty and became the Prime Minister of India. Jagjivan Ram came from a backward family but there was no room for violence in his life. Karpoori Thakur came from a dalit background but he became the Chief Minister of Bihar. Dr. APJ Kalam is from a minority group but he holds the highest position in India and gets respect from even the most hard-core Hindus, and deservedly so. The history is full of such examples. Where is the violence in their lives? But you and your Naxalite cohorts have been brainwashed that you must snatch wealth and prosperity from a rich man at gunpoint and call it a "struggle" to legitimatize the crimes committed by these people. That is meting justice on the 'feudal landlords', according to your sense of justice! What a load of crap! If someone has land and money then why the hell you are so upset about it? Did he usurp your legitimate land or wealth by force or violence? If yes, by all means go after them in a legal way and take back your properties. If not, then shut up and put up and don't moan and groan about it and try to justify and glorify killings by giving it a pathetic term like "struggle". You want these Naxalites to rise from their current pitiful conditions? Go tell them to drop their arms and find jobs. Get education. Respect other people's right. Work hard. There are tons of jobs available for those who want to work. And please, don't give me lectures that all the jobs have been taken up by the rich Hindu, upper caste people. Even a rickshaw-walla or a 'paan-walla' is working hard, day in and day out, to make a honest living but he has consciously chosen to do so instead of taking up guns in the name of what you describe as 'struggle'. There is nothing wrong with any job or work if it is honest, provides a roof above the head and puts four square meals on the table. But then, you wouldn't ask these criminals to do any such thing because that will be the end of 'struggle' and people like you would cease to exist The bottom line is: you are using Bhumihar as a mere scapegoat. Your hatred is actually targeted towards all those who are hard working and affluent. Your battle is not between upper caste and lower caste; your battle is between the rich and the poor, between the successful and the failures, between the hard workers and the good-for-nothing, lazy morons. You and your Naxalite friends are simply jealous of other people's wealth and success. But as usual, you will not admit it and go on justifying your screwed up, demented philosophy of ethnic, caste and class struggle while all the time trying to cover up your own abject failures. Get out of your narrow Communist-Marxist mentality and you would see that the world is a much better place than you have been thoroughly brainwashed to believe. There is an opportunity for everyone to be happy and prosperous and you are limited only by your own sick thinking and detrimental imaginations.
Posted By: Anita Choudhary Posted On: Feb 2, 2004 Views: 702	To Prabhat Prabhat, There is no one parameter by which a caste or a religion or foe the sake of arguement a society is judged. Social developments and social changes are the result of interactions and requirements and adjustment of the communities accordingly (For your knowledge; Read the book of M N Srinivas: Social changes in India and another book by Joginder Singh: Social Trenda in India). These are very well known Soialiogists in Modern India. So, there will be no solution and there will be no development but just opposite is happening. Hindu as a religion is today more vibrant and progressive and so the people belonging to this religion. Bihar is a pathological case generated by the same people who blame everyone but themselves. Rajesh and people like Rajesh can talk all the nonsense all day, all night, and all year about the plight of poor people and lower caste people. Every society that has changed its destiny, looked forward with optimisms and hope with strength and not making others responsible. So, all guys like Rajesh has to change that Sick mentality. Millions of people like Rajesh can join and keep talking nosense, it is not going make any dam difference to poor people or Bihar. So, all you mentally sick people wake from this attitude and have courage to face the odds and change for better, otherwise you guys or the society you may represent have no future.
Posted By: prabhat Posted On: Feb 2, 2004 Views: 693	To Aneetajee Anitajee, I don't think Rajesh is blaming the whole Hindu community rather he is talking about the reality.When he says"I think what we need is correct leadership in the dominant castes in the state. Even though I pointed to Bhumihar caste only, but in reality it is crisis in all caste hindu communities. They all look at caste lower to them with contempt". This is much more true and is a reality.If you are denying the fact that I would say that you are following hypocracy. who can deny that the Hindu society has degraded because of the cast system? If you people are really eager to discuss solution of the problem in Bihar then i will once again request you to leave the cast agenda.Does anyone of us know the answer that how many casts are in India.I can bet, non of us in this forum know the answer even for the case of Bihar.I have came across through person from every states of India and have realised that no body know about the all Hindu cast except that all belong from four "Varna".Leave the fallacy of greatness and Just talk either about politics or the religion.
Posted By: Anita Choudhary Posted On: Feb 2, 2004 Views: 699	To Rajesh Rajesh, You are too stuborn and so fascist in your opinion that you can not see black and white or Right and Wrong. You just see every thing from your biassed prism. Your arguements are so contradictory except your obsession with Bhumihar caste, you just do not get it. The people are not making comments to defend Bhumihar but they are trying to open your closed eyes and color blindness about Bhumihar. Now, you have started to blame all the upper caste and you went to the extent that you are blaming the whole Hindu religion. If you or people like you keep this singing and blame every one, you are not doing good to poor people and the lower caste people. Those people need leader, who can show them "Optimisms, Hope and better life" and try to motivate them. America is the Best example. Black people used to be slaved and how America together changed the fate of Black community. Now Blacks are excelling in sports, music, acting and so on. There are still poor black people but that is not because they do not get opportunity but because of the mentality that Govt will give them every thing and they do not have to work. It is the mentality that matters. You can eliminate poverty but very difficult to change mentality that you have shown even after getting education. So, do not try to brush every one as the reason and culprit of sufferings of poor people. As far Naxalites are concerned, they are group of perveted and criminal people who have adopted new way in the name of poor people to extort money. What they are doing in Bihar or Andhra> They are kidnapping people and killing them. So, they are just kidnapers and killer. In short, they are criminals and nothing else and they shoould be dealt with that way. Open your eyes and see what good things can be done. Good and Honest People are working tirelessly to improve the quality of life of poor people. Do not become victim of your mental sickness.
Posted By: Upendra Sinha Posted On: Feb 2, 2004 Views: 700	To Pravin Sinha Dear Pravin, You are partly wrong and partly right. You may check out the facts about Dr. CP Thakur before carried away by your emotions. You are absolutely wrong when you cited the example of Dr. C. P. Thakur. He is one of the finest and best "Doctor" Bihar ever had. He has cured thousands if not millions of people that also included poor people in Bihar. He was personal "Doctor" to JP when he was going on dialysis. He was removed from "Health Ministry" not because he is incompetent but to adjust the political reality to include Shatrghan Sinha. Also, He is "Padam Shree/Padam Vibhushan" Awardee and it takes some caliber and hard work to get that Award. As far Nitish Kumar and your support (for the sake 25%) is concerned, is an indication that he is a sensible person and trying to bring people together and not dividing them. Now, to my main point and comment about Bhumihar. It is not that people are supporting Bhumihar or trying to project Bhumihar as a Great caste, but they ware all trying to defend when Rajesh singled out Bhumihar in his comments. People have every right to defend Bhumihar as Rajesh feels he has right to criticise Bumihar. You can not select one single caste and start criticising and lebeling that caste as Nazi and so and so. I do not know the agenda of Rajesh but from his comments, it seems he is just obsessed with Bhumihar. He may have some personal problems with some Bhumihar but he can not blame the entire caste and he will do, so the other people will defend and use every right to call Rajesh with names.
Posted By: Pravin Sinha Posted On: Feb 2, 2004 Views: 711	To Upendra Sinha and other Biharis Thanks UpendraJi for giving compliment for my good sense of humour. As far as being relative to Nitish Kumar is concened, I should make it very clear that I am not his relative, but this is true that I support him. Not only me but 25% of total voters support Nitish Kumar today (You can see the result) and I am one of them. When I made comment on Bhumihars, this was not because I am favouring Rajesh and hating other guys. This is because every one is putting point like Bhumihars are the only good people in the state. If this is true then why BEING A KURMI NITISH KUMAR IS LEADING IN BIHARTIMES POLL. I don't think there are 25% kurmi voters who gave vote to Nitish Kumar. This must be because many one from Bhumihars (and other Biharis) also must have given vote to Nitish Kumar even though there leaders like C.P.Thakur is also one of the candidate out there. When I take everyone's comment on Bhumihar that Bhumihars are the CREAM, Bhumihars are the MOST INTELLECTUAL, Bhumihars are the MOST STRONGEST persons then why C.P.Thakur was SACKED FROM THE **HEALTH** MINISTRY BECAUSE OF POOR PERFORMANCE AND DULLNESS. On other side Nitish Kumar became symbol of Developement not only in Bihar but all over the Country. So just Bragging about Bhumihar doesn't make any sense out here. If people will continue doing like this then may be more person will join Rajesh to protest this.
Posted By: Rajesh Posted On: Feb 1, 2004 Views: 718	Caste and Bihar Thanks all for feedback on my comments on Bhumihars and Naxalites. Sadly the feedback as such is not surprising. They are mostly in line what was expected. Comments by SNP Sinha, Akhouri and Soni Singh are in same in old lines with little in substance, but full with arrogance and threatening at times. However Anita Choudhary is articulate and tries to make some reason. Her thought eluding to idealism, need for good governance and advice against targeting parcular caste is commendable. But sadly she also carried away with rhetotic and superiority surrounding this caste but she did offer some hope. Before I elaborate further on this topic, let me clear up misunderstanding about taking caste to the center stage. I fully understand, like most educated people, that criminal behaviour by few individual should not brand the whole community as guilty. But there are compulsing reasons why it is important to think in terms of caste and not always in term of individuals. First, as I pointed earlier it is idealist to talk in term of individuals and not in terms of caste but that would be dishonest. We can't deny the fact that we live in casteist society. Whether a child will to school is determined by the caste in child is born. Secondly, we must not forget that our society, especially rural, is not based on individualism like we educated tend to believe. It is not individuals who populate villages and panchayats but the castes. In this kind of setup, a person's action does not depend on what he or she wants but what his/her caste wants. So a person born in high caste will always be prejudiced against lower castes unless that the community's mindset does not change. I know it is not easy but there has to be people with right convincions in high caste communities to positively influence the whole community. There is no alternative. Anita Choudhary calls for persons with caliber in the political leadership in the state, but I think what we need is correct leadership in the dominant castes in the state. Even though I pointed to Bhumihar caste only, but in reality it is crisis in all caste hindu communities. They all look at caste lower to them with contempt. Sadly with all comments on my thought about Bhumihar as community and Naxalites, none expressed any remorse about Dalit women and children getting murdered by Ranbir sena. All I hear is so called pride. This pride resembles to Bin Laden's pride when thousands got killed on Sep 11. It reflects arrogance and the real mindset. How can a caste be a cream-of-cream, best-of-best and so forth without putting other caste in negative perspective? I thank to SNP Sinha, AK Thakur, Akhouri and many others for helping me making this point. It is typical caste hindu arrogance that must be resisted.
Posted By: prabhat Posted On: Feb 1, 2004 Views: 739	Cast Vs Bihar Dear friends, Many more comments, Discussions and curses for rajesh are on but I cann't see much positive talks here.What kind of boldness is there if someone call himself by his cast? why not we stick to the discussion for upliftment of the state situation without discussing cast or creed? There are always good and bad people in every society. The responsibility of the state condition lie solely with the politicians who have the command to follow the path of development.If we really like to discuss about the cast issue then i would request you to please discuss with broader view. "Why there is not any effort to change this system which had degenerated the Hindu society. After all,people have changed their religion just because of this". Our Home Minister is talking about the feel good factor for India also in the spiritual sense. Are any of you coming for the spiritual awareness in Hindu society? The most important contribution for better discussion on Bihar would be that please not discuss about cast anymore.....
Posted By: A. K. Thakur Posted On: Feb 1, 2004 Views: 730	Rajesh's comments for Bhumihar Rajesh, It is same when people like you target and attack a specific caste and try to generate hatred against this Great community of Bihar, you lost your words and just remembered Md Atta and Osama. They are your people. They are from the same gang to which Sahabuddin and your Laloo belong. So, just be rational. Donot denegrate yourself. Keep your people to yourself. You may need them. Bhumihar is a Great caste and their sons and daughters are not a coward like you. They are the Best of the Best in Bihar. If you have anything against them, tell straigt. Do not take the help of innocent poor people to tell your story.
Posted By: S N P Sinha Posted On: Feb 1, 2004 Views: 719	Three cheers for Soni Singh Dear Soni Singh, Your response "Response to your column" I myself am a Bhumihar and this is my position. Give me someone, anyone, who will do something for the development of Bihar, my state, and I will vote for him or her. He or she could be of any caste, Dalit, Yadav, or Brahmin, as long as he/she improves the roads, works on developing power and industry, I will vote for them. The shortage of electicity causing frequent power outages, the roads in Bihar which are not even worthy of being called roads, anyone who has travelled anywhere in Bihar will agree. Add to this the sever law and order problem in our state, and one can easily see why this RJD. govt. needs to be removed and Center-Rule needs to be imposed in Bihar. When Laloo Yadav goes to jail to visit Md. Shahabudin, who is a criminal with links to the ISI, and who was right-fully jailed by one of the few men in Bihar still left with courage, the former DGP D.P. Ojha, that tells you that something is very, very wrong in Bihar. Let us wake up and get rid of this good for nothing Rabri govt., and in its place, elect anyone of any caste who will do something for the development of Bihar, our state, so that we can all be proud. tells a lot about your honest assessment of Bihar and this also shows your guts admitting that you are a Bhumihar. Person like Rajesh should understand that Bhumihars are full of gutsy people like Soni Singh and so no harm can be brought to this community. Rajesh, you may thinking that I am defending Soni and so may also a Bhumihar, but you are wrong. I am just giving her salute telling who she is and what she thinks about Bihar. She is not like you, who is hiding and pretending to be something. You are just in the legue of criminals and should be there only. Once again, salute and Three Cheers for Soni Singh.
Posted By: Ratnesh Sinha Posted On: Feb 1, 2004 Views: 699	IN CASE YOU ALL FORGOT, SHAHABUDIN IS A CRIMINAL WHO ARE ALL OF YOU PEOPLE WHO ARE VOTING FOR SHAHABUDIN? ARE YOU ON DRUGS OR SOMETHING, OR WERE YOU DRUNK WHEN VOTING, OR ARE YOU JUST FLAT OUT IGNORANT? IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, LET ME REMIND YOU...MD. SHAHABUDIN IS A CRIMINAL WITH MANY CASES FILED AGAINST HIM. SHAHABUDIN HAS LINKS TO THE ISI. SO BY VOTING FOR HIM, ARE YOU CONDONING SHAHABUDIN'S ACTIONS AS A CRIMINAL, OR ARE YOU JUST ANNOUNCING AND JUSTIFYING YOUR STUPIDITY FOR THE REST OF US? All of you can have a look at the cases filed against him in the article titled "DARING SIWAN DON", also on this same website.
Posted By: Upendra Sinha Posted On: Feb 1, 2004 Views: 686	To Pravin Sinha Pravin, You seem to be relative of Niteesh Kumar. You understand what I am saying? Mr Akhoury was trying to make a point to idiocy of Rajesh. You know very well what he meant. I will say, you have a good sense of humor. Share with Rajesh. Bastard like him needs some humor.
Posted By: Soni Singh Posted On: Feb 1, 2004 Views: 682	Response to your column Instead of fighting amongst ourselves over caste, what all Biharis should really be asking is "what has this RJD govt. done for us" The answer is NOTHING. This is a case of the inmates running the asylum. I myself am a Bhumihar and this is my position. Give me someone, anyone, who will do something for the development of Bihar, my state, and I will vote for him or her. He or she could be of any caste, Dalit, Yadav, or Brahmin, as long as he/she improves the roads, works on developing power and industry, I will vote for them. The shortage of electicity causing frequent power outages, the roads in Bihar which are not even worthy of being called roads, anyone who has travelled anywhere in Bihar will agree. Add to this the sever law and order problem in our state, and one can easily see why this RJD. govt. needs to be removed and Center-Rule needs to be imposed in Bihar. When Laloo Yadav goes to jail to visit Md. Shahabudin, who is a criminal with links to the ISI, and who was right-fully jailed by one of the few men in Bihar still left with courage, the former DGP D.P. Ojha, that tells you that something is very, very wrong in Bihar. Let us wake up and get rid of this good for nothing Rabri govt., and in its place, elect anyone of any caste who will do something for the development of Bihar, our state, so that we can all be proud.
Posted By: Sahi Posted On: Feb 1, 2004 Views: 688	To Rajesh Rajesh, Read this news. Hope this will comfort you. What great jobs the clans of your leader are doing in Bihar? 'Laloo kin' men clash with residents TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 01, 2004 03:19:11 AM ] PATNA: At least three persons received gunshot injuries when a group of people allegedly associated with Nagendra Rai, a nephew of RJD supremo Laloo Prasad Yadav, clashed with the residents and businessmen of the Raja Bazaar, Samanpura and Ashiana Nagar area agitating near the Indira Gandhi Institute of Medical Sciences (IGIMS) here on Bailey Road late on Saturday evening. The residents and businessmen continued to block the road near the IGIMS till late night. When contacted, city SP Ganesh Kumar confirmed that three persons identified as Ashraf Khan, Chhotu and Jishan were injured in the firing. A section of the businessmen, however, alleged that four persons received injuries when Nagendra's supporters opened fire. According to a section of the agitators, the trouble began in the area when one Javed went to a shop and demanded "rangdari" (extortion) money from the shopkeeper. It finally led to a clash between Javed and the shopkeeper. Other businessmen came in support of the shopkeeper and beat up Javed. However, the police maintained that Javed had gone to the shop to return some clothes he had purchased there. Javed lodged a complaint with the Shastrinagar police station in this regard. The matter took a serious turn when a large number of businessmen reached the police station to lodge a counter FIR against Javed and his associates, who are alleged to be supporters of Nagendra. The businessmen alleged that the police refused to register their complaint. "In the meantime, Nagendra along with his supporters reached the police station. His supporters clashed with the businessmen on the police station premises. We were forced by the police to leave the police station," said an agitator while explaining the circumstances leading to the road blockade by them near the IGIMS. The businessmen accused the police of extending "support" to the Nagendra group during the clash with them on the police station premises. "Hamlogon ko khadera gaya , use kursi di gayi," said another agitator near the blockade site, adding that the police resorted to lathicharge to disperse the businessmen on the police station premises. The police opted to be a mute spectator at the time of road blockade by the businessmen. The riot control vehicle "Vajra" and fire brigade units were also pressed into service late in the evening. Earlier, irate businessmen announced their decision to continue with their agitation on Sunday. They will gather on the same spot on Sunday morning, according to an announcement made on the spot by the businessmen. The police have intensified patrolling in the area. A large contingent of police force remained deployed there till late Saturday night.
Posted By: Anita Choudhary Posted On: Feb 1, 2004 Views: 679	To Rajesh and sick people Rajesh and his associates, From reading several of last comments and Rajesh's categorical comments on Bhumihar left me no option but to respond his nonsense behavior and misuse of this platform. First, the problem of Bihar is not created by one caste or one person but rather it is the end result of years of socioeconomic conditions of Bihar. Bihar might have been Great in the past but you look the history, it will not take you long time to figure you out what led to this condition of Bihar. Second, you can not change the fate of oppressed class by targetting generating hatred against an individual or a caste. Changes can be brought commitments of the people of Bihar and a leader, who has vision and equipped with education, understanding of problems and has the leadership quality to bring people together irrespective of caste or political affliation to change Bihar for better. Third, once Bihar will have functional civic institutions, all other problems will be solved in 10-15 years and Bihar will gain its glory. So, my request to all of you, try to come with some ideas, bring awareness to people, and stop fighting in the name of caste or religion. You will achieve nothing. You keep writing all day/all night but we know from history that a failed society can only rise from its poor conditions not by the people who talk nosense and generate hatred but the people who are proud of their state/country and are hard working and ready to sacrifice for their state and country. Rajesh: Now, I would like to respond to comments that Rajesh and people like Rajesh have been making for the last several days on this platform. I am specially writing this comment to Rajesh. You have damaged and poisoned enough. If you are really a good person and there is some good sense in you, stop generating hatred against Bhumihar. You might think that Mr Sinha brought a good humor in the discussion. But it is true and fact that Bihar can never ever progress without the cooperation of Bhumihars. Mr. Akhouri is absolutely right in his comments when he wrote that Bhumihars are "cream" of Bihar. You and people like Mr. Sinha can laught as long as they want but Bhumihars are hard working people and they are ready to take any challenge. So, you can not beat them. Laloo has failed in his design and now trying to please them and bring them so that he can benefit from them. Without involving them and taking the benefits of their expertise and their prosperity, Bihar is going no where and progress of Bihar will be a "Dream and nothing but a Dream". Mark my words and wait another few years.

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