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Posted By: Rajesh Posted On: Jan 30, 2004 Views: 687	Killing men vs killing women and children S.K.Singh, Don't twist my earlier statement about naxalite struggle and violence. Read my posting in total. It is about the struggle between Bhumihar landlords landless castes dominated Naxalites. I intended to emphasize the cultural difference between Bhumihars and caste groups in Naxalites. When Bhumihar dominated Ranbir sena raid Dalit and extremely low caste villages, they intentionally kill women and children in order to spread terror. They have killed more women and children than men. Ranbir sena chief, who is icon among large part of Bhumihars, publicly said that there is nothing wrong in killing children as they benefit from Naxalite's loot. On the other hand Naxalites have policy not to harm women and children and record shows that it is followed. I don't condone killing by either side. But it is war and violence happens. But even in war there are laws. During world war II German Nazis engaged in genocide not sparing women and children. In my view these Bhumihars may be equated with Nazis.
Posted By: S.K.Singh Posted On: Jan 30, 2004 Views: 653	To Mr. M.K.Sharma Before you put me into the category of 'casteist', you need to re-read my response to Rajesh. Either you are too engulfed with your own casteist mentality as is clear by your description of "Bhura Baal", or you don't understand English. Here is my first statement, "A criminal is a criminal is a criminal is a criminal regardless of his caste, color, religion, sex, or nationality. End of discussion. What is so hard to understand about it?" Does that sound to you as a 'casteist' statement? If yes, you need to go back to your high school and finish it first before you proclaim yourself as an intellectual and engage in any serious debate. Here is my second statement to Rajesh: "By your logic, it's okay to kill men as long as they don't kill women and children!!!!" Where is the caste factor here? Rajesh is obviously of the opinion that killing men is not sin but killing women and children is sin. Who gave him this authority to redefine 'killings' to suit his own needs and carry on his own self-serving political agenda? This kind of screwed up logic can only be possessed by terrorists like Mohammed Atta. If you don't know who Mohammed Atta is, then do some research on him. By mentioning "Bhura Baal", you have just established that you are nothing but a Laloo/Sadhu/Subhash lackey and a casteist to the hilt. At least you got one thing right, "Gobar me laat marne se cheete khud par hi parte hain". So I won't "maaro laat in gobar" any more by indulging in discussion with either you or Rajesh.
Posted By: pravin Posted On: Jan 30, 2004 Views: 659	Three cheers for NITISH KUMAR Today the Best MP of Bihar Shri Nitish Kumar presented Railway Budget. Though it was a short budget because of interim budget session but again Nitish Kumar showed his commitment towards the developement of Railways in India. If we really compare Railway five years back and now, we can see the difference very clearly. Five years back this would be common statement that trains are very less. Now you can hear everyone saying that there are lots and lots of trains now so NO PROBLEM !! Now government is coming up with e-ticket in some of the trains and I am sure that if Nitish Kumar contines then it will be very soon possible for each and every train in India. When we see what has come to Bihar's pocket in last five years, we have got a new ZONE!!! Keep it up NitishJi, We Bihari's are PROUD OF YOU. SO COMM'ON BROTHERS AND JOIN ME SAYING, THREE CHEERS FOR NITISH KUMAR, HIP HIP HURRRRAY !!!
Posted By: Chacha Chaudhary Posted On: Jan 29, 2004 Views: 669	The Making of Laloo During an International conference, three scientists, an American, a German, and an Indian, were talking and bragging about the technological advances their respective countries have achieved in the field of medicine. The American said "In Washington, there was a baby boy born without arms so we attached artificial arms on him. And now that he's grownup and became an Olympic professional boxer and a gold medallist !" The German replied, "That's nothing to what we have achieved. Back in Berlin, there was a baby girl born without legs so we attached a pair of artificial legs on her. Now she is a three-time Olympics marathon gold medallist !" The Indian interjected "Is that all you have achieved , just gold medallists? In Patna, Bihar we had a baby boy born without a HEAD! We attached a COCONUT and called him Laloo and he has grown up and Become the Chief Minister of Bihar and member of lok sabha
Posted By: kumar Posted On: Jan 29, 2004 Views: 660	Helping Piyush - Strange Silence Hi, Yes most of our contributor on this forum are really silent about the above subject. Pl. help this little boy. I know you have done so many times for your fellow Indians from other states. Now its time to do for some one who resides very near to you own home. The address is available on Bihar Times. You can either send the cheque directly or use remit2india / Western Union Money Transfer to do so. I have asked one of my relatives in Patna to pay money to the parents of Piyush. If you have these kind of contact you too can do the same. Also pl. ask you other friends to contribute the money for this novel cause. Go bless you.
Posted By: Kumar Posted On: Jan 29, 2004 Views: 647	Best MP of Bihar Dear Akshay. Everybody has the right to vote for his or her MP. In your view Shahabuddin may be a criminal, a don but for somebody he may be a Robin Hood. People should be allowed to express their opinion. I am reapeating my previous statement, you voting should be based on the performance of the MP and not on his/her caste or religion. I am happy that out of 40 MP Nitis Kumar is leading with big margings. He should have same showing in the coming elections as well. He has really done a marvellous job for Bihar and Biharees. Pl. read today's new about common man's Rajdhani. Three cheers for Nitish Kumar. We are proud of You
Posted By: Akshay Posted On: Jan 29, 2004 Views: 629	Best MP in Bihar Who are those people who vote for Shahabudin? Don't those ignorant people know that Md. Shahabudin is a criminal who is currently in jail. He has ties to the ISI, which should concern everyone who values not just Bihar's, but India's security as a whole. Those people voting for him have just proved how ignorant they really are....Nitish Kumar has clearly done a lot for Bihar. Shahabudin should not even be on this list, he should be in Tihar jail in Delhi.
Posted By: M K sharma Posted On: Jan 29, 2004 Views: 629	Sorry, a little correction Please read my lines in previous posting as- I am aware of the works of asha.org and would like to add here that we should work and contribute directly to the people of the state.Thanks to Mr. Alam.....
Posted By: MK Sharma Posted On: Jan 29, 2004 Views: 625	Very interesting discussion....... Rajesh, Thanks to you for putting nice idea here. I am aware of the works of asha.org and would like to add here that we should work and contribute directly to Mr.Alam for putting nice postings but will suggest you not to support shahbuddin or Bihar Government otherwise you will be lebelled as member of Al-quida group because many RSS caders are here in this discussion group. People like Neena Prasad, Pradeep,SK Singh are here just to discuss cast and religious politics and they will start abusing if you are talking against superiority of "Bhura Baal".I can bet that they may not be aware of the origin of their cast and may not be knowing the philosophy of their religion.Anyway,leave them."Gobar me laat marne se cheete khud par hi parte hain". Friends, it is a nice discussion forum and we should continue it in positive manner.
Posted By: prabhat Posted On: Jan 29, 2004 Views: 629	strange silence??? Dear Friend, it is very strange to note that most of the people who were yelling on plight of Bihar, is silent now and they are not coming up with their nice suggestions! In fact, many person in the discussion forum seems to be pseudo castist whose main aim is to defend somethink said against his own cast or leader of his choice.People are much more interested in analysing the problem and not the solutions. Rajesh, i appreciate your proposal to think beyond and join NGOs like www.ashanet.org. I have gone thru this web and also i know many others NGOs who are working at very grassroot level.There is a good information about such NGOs on Bihartimes.com and interested one can browse throgh http://www.bihartimes.com/dev_alert/dev_ngos.html.In my opinion the NGOs like CARE-India(Bihar)14,Patliputra Colony Patna - 800 001 or Family Planning Association of India(FPAI,Patna branch) are also doing better in the basic problem area.Why not we people join to these organisation and help them.Are you interested to come up?
Posted By: Rohit Posted On: Jan 28, 2004 Views: 681	Helping Piyush At least the bihari community should come forward to help Piyush Ratnam this young boy suffering from blood cancer.Cann't we making all sorts of bhashabbaji make a good start.All good people can make a lot difference leave aside cheap politicians and be proud bihari.
Posted By: Rajesh Posted On: Jan 28, 2004 Views: 729	Very nice idea Ranjana has excellent proposal that "This is thought without action.Please put your idea what we can do beyond discussion? " I further propose that instead of trying to find a silver bullet to solve all the universe problem, let's concentrate on small focus areas where we can make difference. One such avenue where we can directly contribute and get involved is http://www.ashanet.org. Please go through this link and give your feedback and/or suggest similar opportunities.
Posted By: prabhat Posted On: Jan 28, 2004 Views: 750	Thanks to Mustaque Mustaque bhai, you are more than Ok and i really praise your view.If you will look back into discussion, one thing you will realise in this discussion forum that there are many people who pretend to be well wisher of the state but they have fowl ideaology.The agony of such discussions is that if a person praise or condemn a leader, he or she continue to do it whatever deeds a leader has done. In the last, one will realise that all leaders(Except few) are more or less same.As long as there is no any provision in the constitution to stop criminals and bad people, current situation (like Bihar)will continue to happen.Leaders like Nitish Kumar is certainly a good hope for the state.Just pray to Almighty that a good person come to the power.
Posted By: Shahid Posted On: Jan 28, 2004 Views: 696	To Mr. Parveen Dear Yes perveen i m 100% agree and believe that eve for us he will be the best, he has good background and afcource as we watched him so long, he is not like a person who can buried a humankind alive. See, what we want a state, which should developed and there should be harmony. Small disputes accrued everywhere, but administration and sincere people should solve this without biasness, irrespective to emotions and other things. That’s what BJP and RSS is not doing, they sees every thing in the eye of Hindu Muslim not that all r brothers and god has created us all from a single father and mother. I m quoting one Quranic verses: I made all human beings with single father and mother, and divided in color and work ship that u can recognized each other, even our Hindu brothers have same faith? Regards to u all.
Posted By: Mustaque Alam Posted On: Jan 28, 2004 Views: 648	Dream for a developed & peaceful Bihar Hi Gentlemen, Seeing the discussion on Bihar times, one can easily make out that Bihar is represented by its right kind of politician. This so called 'educated ' participant of discussion only talk about cast and religion, adore their own cast criminals and put blame on other cast. If these participants taken as sample of Bihari society, its is quite natural that respective criminal will be elected by their cast and community. I was of this false notion that once Bihar have good percentage of educated population, these goons will be shown their way and right kind of people get elected. But all my hope took last breath here seeing this communal and castist discussion by 'educated percipients.' No doubt bjp is a communal party and in the same breath, no doubt Laloo do not have any vision or plan to develop Bihar. Any one who is rejecting this fact, reject truth. bjp is using communal card to grab the power and Laloo on more micro level using cast factor. But what to do? We are to blame ourselves. We do prefer cast issue over developments. All the election of Bihar are fought on this issue, not on development issue. It is really painful and heart-rendering that where all the states of India moving forward in IT era, Bihar is moving backward to pre-historic era. Come on. Let raise above these issue and make a developed and peaceful Bihar. Thanks, Mustaque

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