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| Posted By: Dr.Manish kumar Posted On: Feb 11, 2004 Views: 628 | continued from yesterday - Social justice...part-2 Hi friends, I am back. Development as a poll plank came into first line of slogans for the first time in 1989, when people voted for the strongest possible anti congress candidate. It is our luck that it has come to the level of first of the first line slogans (as a customary there used to be three slogans like mandir corruption and development). One thing is for sure, whether next government bring the GDP growth rate to 8 to 10% or not , our middle class is becoming aware of the possibility of such a growth rate and there is going to be a pressure on our policy makers to achieve the same. Now does it clash with the voteries of social justice? Is it not possible to give a poll slogan like development justice and governance? If we see in our own country, states like Tamilnadu and Kerala have realised the three with the same pace and now the train of justice development and governance is so much on the track that even a Brahmin Jayalalitha who can personally support the KAR SEVA can't desruct the social balance, however corrupt she has been, development of the state has never been paralysed, whether the ex chiefminister is torchered in the broad day light or throtlled at mid night, the buisenessmen had nice peaceful evenings. Now Bihar has special problems. Before that i will like to tell Rajesh jee, i do agree with his perception about the intellectuals and politicians playing behind the screen on the name of development. See Bhai sahab, never in this world one had only friends all around. To do the things only thing you need is determination and to follow the path who takes you up to your goal, without problem there is no goaln not enjoyable as well. Also it is not for the first time that intellectuals have been un coperative with the government, even in one of our PURAN it is narrated that the king (I don't remember the the name) had insulted the RHISHI following which all the brahmins (intellectuals) bye-coted the king and to bring a compromise the king managed to bring VISHWAMITRA to his palace after. That was because the king understood the importance. I have heard Laloo ji talking in his style on the day when he has done some 150 inaugerations- IN LOGON SE MAT GHABARANA, YE LOG KARENGE, INKA KAAM HIN YAHI HAI. Probably he was referring to the fear that engineers may not work. Actually this one of the draw backs of our people, they accept the defeat before they try. They want every thing to happen with their first wish or some one else should do the things for them. I don't know about other things but the first part, the defeative mentality has grown out of centuries of suppressive governments and decades of ignorant governments. But you have to come out of the shell to breath in a fresh air, for that you have to percieve the need to do so; the need for others help, the need for development. Now such perceptions arise either due to previous experiences, which i am sure minimum of two generations of Bihar never had, or if you bare convinced by some one else. Now who can convine you? ( A JOKE PLEASE DON'T MIND - JADAB BUJHABE SE MARAD KAHABE, AND MY JADAB FRIEND USED TO REPLY THAT IF NO ONE CAN MAKE A JADAB TO UNDERSTAND NO ONE IS A MARAD OTHER THAN A JADAB!). One which you trust. Yes, if you don't trust someone you can never understad what he wants to. Here the babus of Bihar have to make the Laloo supporters to understand and before that they will have to prove their trust worthyness. But how is it possible? The fore runners among the brahmins (bhumihars) are not dependable! OK, i am sorry to name a caste, but if not 100% i am minimum 60% true if i say that intellectuals or representatives of intellectuals means brahmins. Any way they are not dependable , not only for the Laloo ji but also for anti Laloo corporation which has been fuelled 90% of the times by them! Where do you stand? Dhobi ka kutta! I am sorry but that is at least social situation of Bhumihars as a caste, and more or less educated people as a whole. It is understood by everyone (including Bhumihars) and that is why Mr. Nitish kumar had a narrow escape in 1999. That is why even after massive victory in parlimentary election of 1999, they performed decimal in the assembly. That is why social harmony is important either to bring development or to get rid of Laloo (if some one tries so). Is not development of Bihar dangerous for Laloo? Yes, if i say bluntly. But it is more a matter of perception. It is dangerous for him in the sense that the moment development starts, there will be a group of unsatisfied people. A natural character of human being is that unlike to animals they don't like to remain under the perception of being supported by someone and so the moment the goal is achieved very few people tolerate the weight of the provider, and so never expect a satisfied man to be with you! Laloo will have no takers as every one will become a bhumihar. So Laloo ji will lose the election the moment development process starts. But not for long. Because same thing will be repeated with his succesor as well. Actually that is the essense of democracy. Why Kerala performed better than West Bengal? Because the competition between the two rival parties to fare better than the previous and not by stagnation as in WB. Our democracy will be real one, vibrant one and, lasting one. Here i think i can also explain probably what happened with the first chiefminister of Bihar. To me just afte independenceonly few groups of the society was in the mainstream and they were those who occupied the chairs immediately after anouncing that India wll be a democratic republic, leaving people to ponder on what democracy means. Although there were development process going on but the rate was below 4%. Social Social matters didn't get proper care as a pan Indian phenomenon as our first prime minister himself was not himself very conscerned but for the industrial development. And after 25 yrs of (i don't know exactly for how many yrs he was the CM) governance the media people found that they were doing every thing for only them selves, it was natural, but what could not happen was a change in guard but continued development. They went with the change in guard and ignored developlment. And that is how Bihar remained a hollow vessel filled only with speech (political). we will continue with it tomorrow. |
| Posted By: Amit Ranjan Posted On: Feb 11, 2004 Views: 631 | Rajesh and Social Justice I read your last comment directed to Dr. Manish and also some other comments. Sometimes you make sense and sometimes you make 180 degrees and just talk nonsense. Bismark, a great German leader, who unified Germany and brought the entire country on the path of progress, once said: "An itellectual thinks about revolution, Fanatics bring revolution, and fools rule after revolution". This exactly what happened with Bihar. Leader like Sahajanands Saraswati put the seeds of revolution against Zamindari System, fanatics fought against Britishers and the fools ruled Bihar after the demise of British rule. It is also absolutely true that a stable, progressive, and vibrant society needs the participation of its entire community, otherwise the society will crumble today or tomorrow. In this respect, I absolutely agree with you regarding Bihar and the pathetic conditions of its people. Bihar needed grass root participation of the people to change the preexisting socioeconomic structure. I give credit to Karpoori Thakur, who did a great job bringing awreness in backward community. I also give credit to laloo for bringing changes in thinking of poor people. I do not agree with you "what Laloo had done to Bihar in last 14 yrs of his rule" and on "How to bring progress and development in poor state like Bihar". Laloo had ample opportunities as he had mass support to do something for Bihar but he got engaged in the same gain to become rich overnight (became corrupt and practiced every corrupt means available to him). In place of bringing people together, he started to use people against each other for his political gain. In last 14 yrs, institutions like schools, colleges, universities, hospitals were brought down to the level that the students stopped going college and universities. He did disservice to the same people for whom he bacame Champion of bringing Social Justice. This is where you need good educated and thougtful people to govern a state/country. Laloo completely failed on this front. He just collected all the garbage people to govern and that is the result that we see in Bihar and its hopless conditions. There is very good saying "It is never late to start something good." Laloo can still make the difference if he wakes up from his biassed world and start thinking for the people of Bihar. I am not writing lots of things just to give you enough to think a sensible way and not in sinistical way. |
| Posted By: prabhat Posted On: Feb 11, 2004 Views: 672 | A new hope Dear Manishji and others It is very interseting to note that after doing a big discussion(vulgar at some point)we all are coming to a right direction.Manishji,A lot of thanks for your very nice posting carrying nice thoughts.In fact good hopes are always there in the form of people like you,Praveenji,Thathagat or else. Thathagatji, thanks to clearifying your view and please take the reaction in the same way as you have done after not hearing at your first good posting.One thing is very much clear that something(Say cast frame) is so deep rooted in our mind that even though you may not support this you may get irritated if anyone use abusing words.Just note one thing that whatever resentment we show toward the past and present politician in the state we have no control on that except to analyse according to one's own peception. Just drop our bad feeling and continue our discussion in a healthy manner. |
| Posted By: Pravin Sinha Posted On: Feb 10, 2004 Views: 688 | To Mr. Tathagat Kumar Thanks Mr. Tathagat for being clear about your postings. My only request to you is, please don't think in negative way and be optimistic in life. We all know at with these postings we are not going to change any thing in reality then why should we fight? Only thing we can do here is we can spread love to others so that if we meet in life then we will have some good things to share. Who knows one day I'll get help from you or I'll give help to you. In reply to your posting that many one replied to your last posting. Reason is, Bihari's are very sentimental (emotional) by nature. But any way, we can use this sentiments in positive manner and get benefit out of it. Each of us know that if you give love to other you will get 100 times more in reply. |
| Posted By: Tathagat Kumar Posted On: Feb 10, 2004 Views: 677 | Well, I have proven myself right. Hi Everybody, My previous mail was just a representative sample of the messages being posted here. I can see that it has evoked response from many people. It only proves my point. That out here, only nonsense is posted and read, and, people respond to nonsense only. Remember my first message? I think there I had said something sensible. People didn't take any note of it. Not that I am hungry for attention, but the following messages were of the same genre as my previous message (the nonsensical one). So in a way, I have proven that you folks are here only and only for wasting your time doing nothing constructive but for posting rubbish and wasting bandwidth. I had come here to know the points of view of different people but found only garbage posted out here. Someone said that I haven't posted a single meaningful comment out here. Where are the people who would respond to meaningful comments? Let me also clarify that I stand by my first comment and not the latest one. The latest one was only for proving that you people respond to rubbish. Thanks, Tathagat. |
| Posted By: Rajesh Posted On: Feb 10, 2004 Views: 650 | Social justice, development and Bihar Dr (one and only Dr Manish Kumar of this forum), You raised a very pertinent point about the need of intellectual community. South Africa is progressing in post aparthied era due to Mandela's vision who secured support of the intellectuals, mainly whites. The intellectual community is traditionally very small but plays vital role in any country's progress. In US, only 5% of the population have vision (I call intellectuals), rest carry on with their lives as programmed. One inherent advantage the Americans have that they (whites) don't come with baggage of prejudice even though it is apparent that white majority is slowly ending. Also, racism is only few hundred years old and most never practiced. In case of Bihar, I must say that intellectuals or the educated (people with education, not necessarily educated) have failed us. In Bihar and elsewhere in India, you can't identify a community without referring to castes, so my thoughts sometimes digress purely in caste line. Intellectuals in Bihar mainly came from upper castes. They have traditionally been priviledged to go to school and had the responsibility to guide the rest, but they failed. Take example of South Bihar (now Jharkhand). That region provided God-send opportunity for enterpreneurship and non farm jobs. But what we saw was the Singhs of various dominions coming down from ABC, building mafias and plundering resources. On the other hand, Gujratis came from nowhere, established legitimate business and made money for themselves as well as for others. It sounds discouraging but unfortunately it is fact. Most priviledged Biharis are like Surya Deo Singh (the coal mafia) and few are like Vinay Pathak (Sulabh Shauchala enterpreneur). Even now, they talk about ousting Laloo Yadav and development but in reality just they want to regain the lost priviledge so that they could resume plunder. These so called intellectuals are unwilling to reconcile with inevitable that the government administration will look more and more different compared to them. Instead of contributing in positive way, they spend all their energy for the lost cause. Sadly, the upwardly mobile among lower castes also tend to join rank with other Babus (socialogist call it sanskritization). Corruption in Babus run across caste line. |
| Posted By: Pravin Sinha Posted On: Feb 10, 2004 Views: 638 | Thanks Mr. Rohit Prasad I think we should admire's Mr Rohit Prasad's statements. Today we don't need to talk about Hitler, Jews or Stalin just to prove something else. Today actually we need to talk about what we can for our Bihar rather than telling the history. So comm'on guys, lets not go with negative thinking. |
| Posted By: Dr.Manish Kumar Posted On: Feb 10, 2004 Views: 653 | God bless you hi friends, just before logging off i saw a comment against me which moved me. Still i request the authorities to continue this forum. I want to talk till i finish my feelings, and then i will like to forgive them for their immaturity. Any way my life is quite high enough to be effected by such words. I was moved because i heard this word for the first time against me unexpectedly. Whatelse i can say? take care friends. |
| Posted By: Dr.Manish kumar Posted On: Feb 10, 2004 Views: 649 | Social justice, development and Bihar Hello everybody, thanks alot for apreciating my feelings. But i feel very sad to find myself alone! I had thought that many more people will come forward with similar ideas. I am afraid that some of our friends are advicing to stop this discussion. I will request the authorities to continue it for some more time and give me some opportunity as i came to know about it only now. I will like it to continue till Holi, as i am going to my birth place after a gape of 2yrs and i will like to see the place a fresh before i write the final word from my side. Rather i will request to continue till there is no one to participate. I thank alot to the TIMES OF INDIA editor and manaagement for providing an opportunity for wide and free exchange of feelings. Now an explanation, as someone felt bad about the caste discussion which i ( in my own perception) have used profusely. I respect such feelings and recomend too, but when I opened this site for the first time the discussion was charged with the vulgarity upto its hilt between the two named groups and i tried to bring the discussion to the core issue faced by Bihar. I hope, wish and request to all our friends to use the opportunity for our best and i advice them not to pass comment on those people, not to go behind them who may spoil our environment, they will feel ousted and wishfully will try to improve. I also request everyone to come open, maintain the sanctity of the public place, and try to something creative. It is responsibility of the people to tolerate if they think that they are superior to others, same way as elders in a family are supposed to forgive the youngers. Now decide who is elder and be cool first, and come we will see dreams while sleeping on stone. To me it appears that all participating in this discussion are PAPPUs, RAJUs, ATTUs and LATTUs and not Pravin, Rajesh, Atul or Lalit. Come on, this discussion is happening in air we are not even sitting across the table. Those who are more responsible for the situation sit across the table and laugh on our foolishness to fight for them. So shake hands and pass smile to each other. I can percieve some uneasyness also about my thoughts, but i don't feel like giving explanation to them as i don't want to go in un- necessary personal fighting. I respect all those who are not happy with me, but for now i can only say sorry for my inability (not for what i have written). As it is important to address the basic issue first i have selected this topic before flying or dreaming. Now, to me justice is one of the major objectives, motives and duties of any government, probably, hopefully and wishfully from the time of the very beginning of such an institution, which is probably as old as human civilisation. One more thing, i am neither a historian nor a sociologist, my comments shall be based on my own analysis and i invite all of you to correct me if i need the correction essentially, but informations given are true to the best of my knowledge and i can give sources. So the Indian civilisation being not only 5,000 yrs old but also a continuous civilisation ( our teacher had explained to us when i was in class 8th, as we were enjoying SAARE JAHAN SE ACHCHHA - - - that in case of all other three ancient civilisations no sign of the ancient culture is remaining in present day life - i don't know how much i remember his statement and how much i have understood him), is the living text book of the history of justice in this region. If the era of internet where the world is shrinking to a village, haas Bush and Osama and Dara and Veerappan and, and so many others (i don't know all the names) who do their heineous crimes and still enjoy their power to continue the same, i do expect the ancient wise men to commit mistakes. So, for our convenience we will discuss the scenario after independence only, also because this is the period effecting our lives the most. But we will be free to go back to the history if needed. But one thing , can some one say names of the group of people ( not in exact terms of castes but yes if people feel the attachment) which never enjoyed the administration and had never been at the recieving end of the onslaught of the administration? To me all the major groups of people in society who have a say in the present day administration had been the part of this musical chair. But, but Jews are still the rulers of this world and now have grown strong enough to finish many Hitlers. Stalin's progeny could not keep the 'PARAADISE' even for 100 yrs becuse it was built on the grave of human psychology. Yes! the most important thing is the human psych! Human feelings, their brain. And the social justice to me is the feeling of the living members of the society about the sensitivity of the living members of the society for the other members of the sociey. Are you sensitive? Reselience is the inbuilt nature and any abrupt peak or trough will be corrected in due course of time, and that GHAMAND is the breakfast for god are the soul guidelines for those who want to change the world around them and themselves want to remain unchanged for ever. With these outline i will like to tell that castism and for that reason social injustice based on birth and paternity or any other basis of classification of humanbeings, is a universal phenomenon with varying degrees of intensity. In this regard Indian track record has been comparatively better (perhaps) than the world view. If we take it to Bihar i do agree that even in post independence era there has been enough mistakes by the leaders of the society. Yes! we have been fully ignorant about each other and this ignorance has made a cancer out of a simple ulcer! If our leaders would have tried to learn from within our country there were adequate examples like Periyar and Annadurai and many more. If we go in a bit more of detail, we will find that beginning of Bihar as a state was not bad and it was considered among one of the best administered states till 60s. Even developmentally it was having nice pace with many industries being installed for the first time in India were installed in Bihar. But there was something wrong with the administration or the course of development which made media to come forward to make it sure that no one with the mentality (read caste) of Mr. Shri Krishna Singh should come back to power ( as written by the editor of one of the most respected daily from Bihar when Mrs Rabri Devi was sworn in as a chief minister for second time in 2000 with support of congress -I, and Mr Editor had explained that people were fed of the 'everything for me' mentality of the rulers which made them (the mediaa people) to decide to see to it that a man of their choice comes to the fore). And probably that is how the fashion of exaggerating the situation of Bihar, criticising Bihar and Biharis by the Biharis as well as outsiders started. It had another fallout as well. Probably it never allowed an eligible man to reach the chief minister's post and the chief ministers were selected in Delhi not At Patna! Although selection of CMs at Delhi was a pan Indian phenomenon but it hit Bihar the worst because of the continuous resenment by the responsible people. And the last nail was the death of late Mr. Lalit Narayan Mishra, which took away our only source of light at that time. After that, for the first time (after Mr. Shri Krishna Singh) Bihar got real mass leader in Mr. Laloo Prasad. (Here i will like to tell that giving respect to others also shows your SANSKAR. In my family my father and uncles call me as Manish ji or Manish babu. I really regret for the way people call Laloo ji and i request him to forgive the ATTUs and LATTUs). He got an empty KHAJANA from Mishra ji, burning middle middle and south Bihar and a fight for his own government's stability. Mandal and Kamandal preceded by pre - electral anti SC/ST reservation agitation (1989 NOV - DESC) gave him the needed boon- opportunity to make base in all communities except the so called upper castes. Of course he would have felt the futility of keeping every one happy and opted only for yadavs and muslims. Actually if we see, most of his time has been spent on keeping his folk together, a jumbo size cabinet is an indication. In circumstances of Laloo ji only easy thing is to speak and to let all noose lose and make it free for all. Yes! it is free for all, other wise how can Ran bir sena survive? Don't tell me because of Dr. C. P. Thakur, i hope every one knows that internal security is under state government and the state police can arrest any one even found a suspect in criminal cases, that is how Mr Karunanidhi was harased at midnight. And also i have in depth knowledge how Bihar police frames charges. But it is not happening because Laloo ji is basically not doing any thing with any motive. He knows that speech alone is enough to remain in power. Now where does social justice stands in Laloo land? How it survives? It stands at the level of ineffiecient governance and management and survives by cheapness and free availability of the bullets. Social justice in present Bihar doesn't mean happyness or freedom or respect for the down trodden. It means the situation in which a labourer 'feels' that he can abuse his employer! That is all. I know the same employers were and even now are, the ignorant lot that is why i said in my previous note that they need to make the down trodden to feel that they can be cared by the employer better than those who provoke. Has any one among the pleaders of present type of social justice ever looked around to see how is it maintained? Is not Tamilnadu and Kerala socially the most progressive state? Does that mean that all well to do people left the state or are tolerating the social injustice against them selves? Why media people don't tell them that T.V.Sundaram (TVS) is a Bramhin from the state which had anti Brahmin squad in 60s? And also that he is the one among those who have grown in post independent India under the same regimen. How many TVSs can Laloo ji expect among the Biharis (read Bhikharis). I remember and am proud of his statement given once and is still my inspiring line that if ever there will be a buiseness on moon, Biharis will be the first ones to reach there and do that, but as i told, he only speaks; how many of us can claim that? Can you name even a single nationaly important buiseness man except Mr.Vinay Pathak? (hope i have named him correctly, and that you all know the SHOUCHALAYA MAN - what a Bihari way of lntroducing a great man.) So society with social justice means society of beggars who go all around asking for need of a servant and get kicked by Bal Thakarey and ULFA! What has resulted of the Laloo ji's social justice is an environment of mistrust and un-coperation among the empolyee and the employer, among the land owner and the labourer, army of unemployed (who he is again trying to show some olive branch by vacancy of some teachers), continuous degradation of academic environment. I was really amazed to see that the topper of the BPSC examination, a civil engineer, had only one success earlier in his life in his effort to earn ROTI for himself and that was a teachers job in a primary school! Is not it a shame on our part? Do we need some one else to sense all these things? Even now my best childhood friend, most intelligent student of my class, a civil engineer, is unemployed and languishing even though he is a yadav! Is a bread of my friend enemy of Laloo ji's social justice? Or the massiah of social justice not responsible for my friend's bread? I know now a days it is no more government's job to give job for every one, but is there a conducive environment for any interpreuner? What are the necessaties for the interpreuners? I chalange, there are parts of the world with more crime rates than Bihar, but why no one is interested in investing in Bihar although he can get all the natural resources in plenty; because our leader is not interested in that. He is happy and satisfied by being the champion of the cause of social justice. OK, who are the people most in need of the social justice? You make a list. If it is made by any sensible man i am sure not more than 20% of people really need the social support to come up, others are already in the mainstream of the society and get respect according to their eligibility. What is our leader thinking of the 80% population? Actually should have problem with Laloo prasad are those with pen in their pocket and need more than few words. Because today or tommorow all of them get frustrated. Now because some community have more people with pen so they are more beleagered. Is it so that social justice and development can't go hand in hand? are they supplementary to each other or complmentary to each other? Is it enough for a government to be champion of one reason and ignorant towards other? Does not it show its inefficiency? My friend says doctor and engineer can't be compared! Can they be replaced? Can you live without a doctor or an engineer? Can a society afford to opt for only one of them? No. Either it will become unhealthy or out dated, untechnical and then what will happen, you can read from East India Company Gadget. I hope all of us know about Pretoria government before Mr. Nelson Mandella. Who might have been more bad to the people, congress government before 1989 or the Pritoria govt before Mandela? Mandela was asked about the fate of whites in South Africa and he told he needs them for the development of the country. Because they are the intellectuals.How our leader is treating the intellectual community? It remains unconcluded, i will continue next day. Thanks. |
| Posted By: A. N. Pandey Posted On: Feb 10, 2004 Views: 635 | To All Who are Friends of Laloo Hey All Laloo admirers, Here is another Great News for you all to celebrate about the Good Governence of Laloo/Rabri. You guys celebrate as one more good person has been sent to Heaven by your friends. Go and have some drink and enjoy "What a Great Day for Bihar". This is what you want to be Proud of Bihar. Patna doctor shot dead, hospital staff strike work HT Correspondent Patna, February 11 In yet another example of Bihar's rampant lawlessness, unidentified men shot dead a well-known doctor while he was on his way home in Patna on Monday. A police officer found the bullet-ridden body of Dr Harendra Sharma, associate professor at the Indira Gandhi Institute of Medical Sciences (IGIMS), inside his Palio. The windscreen of the vehicle was broken. Deputy superintendent of police RK Dubey said the doctor was shot dead while he was returning from Bankipore Club. The killing of Sharma, son of noted pathologist Dr GP Sharma, sent the medical community in the city into a state of shock. His colleagues at IGIMS went on a lightning strike on Tuesday in protest against the incident. Hospital superintendent SK Sahi told reporters that the doctors and other paramedical staff went on strike after holding a condolence meeting earlier in the day. They demanded a high-level probe into the murder and the immediate arrest of the assailants. The functioning of the emergency in the hospital was affected due to the strike, he added. Sahi said a delegation of doctors would submit a memorandum to Chief Minister Rabri Devi on Wednesday to formally lodge a protest against the killing. With junior doctors at the two other government hospitals, Patna Medical College Hospital and Nalanda Medical College Hospital, on strike since more than a week over wages, health services in the state capital were badly affected on Tuesday. The police said they were investigating the matter. Given the fact that Sharma's mobile and wallet had not been taken, they ruled out robbery as a motive. Staggering stats Crime between Jan-Oct 2003: Murders - 2,756 Abduction - 1,948 Rapes - 697 Dacoities - 990 Thefts - 8,399 Burglaries - 2,433 Riots - 6,919 |
| Posted By: Rohit Prasad Posted On: Feb 10, 2004 Views: 708 | Divide and rule. Hello Friends, I have not gone through whole lots of posting but last quit a few. It is not good to fight over caste. See because of this only people take advantage of us(mainly politicians). Tell me one thing, does being from one caste will provide you roti, kapda, makan. This world is competitive and for everything we need to work together. Who ever among us is in Corporate Field, must have seen one thing very prominent. That every where team players is respected. And for every work which succeeds is a TEAMWORK. Lets work towards betterment of society. We(all of us) are educated, we should not follow what has been followed in past for downfall of us. like fighting among us on caste. Let come over this and call ourself an Indian, then a bihari and then from a specific caste. And another thing, when we talk/write something, It should come from heart. It should not come with an intention of hurting one, but with an intention of convincing oneself of your understanding of subject. Hope, all of us will make this forum a medium for constructive talk. If we do not have any topic to be discussed, then here are few. 1. What makes bihar unique ? 2. How can a socail reform can be brought up in bihar ? 3. What all resources which bihar has, which can be a bread earner for state for long run ? Lets pick up one of topic and discuss it over. Thanks, Rohit Prasad Ranchi. |
| Posted By: Pravin Sinha Posted On: Feb 10, 2004 Views: 722 | Good Book on today's political scenario A book has been written by former cabinet scretary TSR subramanian. Author is sharing the real truth of todays political scenario. Comments on the books is available on the following links. http://www.bbc.co.uk/hindi/regionalnews/story/2004/02/040210_subramanyya n.shtml http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IEH20040208225714&Title=Top+ Stories&Topic=0 |
| Posted By: A. K. Sarin Posted On: Feb 10, 2004 Views: 719 | Three cheers for Thatagat Good job Thatagat. There is wastage of time listening or reading the grabage of all these Bs like Rajesh, Pravin, Kumar, Prabhat. They should sit together with Laloo and sing song together "Hum Bihar ko Barbad karke Rahenge Bihar ko Africa jaisa Nayara Banayenge Osma ko Trainer banayenge Mere sabhi log idiots bane rahenge." I can find only fools out here. Hi All, You shouldn't be surprised if I call each one of you a real fool. I've been going through the postings on this site and found out just one thing - mudslinging. Well, mudslinging from the 'Backwards' can be understood because they are 'socially, educationally and economically' backward according to the Constitution of India and that's how they want to continue. (Incidentally, that's the reason why they vote for Laloo). But the forwards? We are the only hope for Bihar. We should refrain from mudslinging. Let the dogs bark. We should be discussing something fruitful. We should be discussing about development. The 'Backwards', by definition, cannot think in a civilized manner. We should not waste our time listening to them and responding to them. We were the rulers earlier and we still are. Only, we have become weak. Let's work together - all of us, Tilak, Taraju & Talwar (or BhuRaBaL, whichever you prefer)- for the betterment of Bihar. |
| Posted By: Nawin Kumar Posted On: Feb 10, 2004 Views: 639 | To Mr. Tathagat Kumar Mr. Tathagat, do you know the meaning of your name? Just be calm and rational while giving any comment in public forum. |
| Posted By: Pravin Sinha Posted On: Feb 10, 2004 Views: 612 | Continuing Mr. Prabhat on Mr. Tathagat I am pasting down the last posting by Mr. Tathagat. " Hi All, I was going through the comments posted here and found obsession with caste related issues quite strong with most people. Well, that's the way we are and we cannot do anything about it. All of us take great pride in belonging to a particular caste. One solution to our problems can be something like this: Each caste tries its best to beat all other castes of communities. However, this should be done in a respectable and fair manner. If each community takes care of itself, everything will be fine. The only thing we need to take care about, is to move ahead of other and not to bring others down or try to hinder other's progress. Rather, we should set our standards high and try to get ahead of others. That's the only solution to the caste problem as I can see it. Feedback is invited. Thanks, Tathagat. " Can some one believe that this person's next posting will be like this (see last to last posting from him). Tathagatji you are very sensible and good heart person. Only thing is you are bit emotional by nature. Actually you can help a lot for Bihar. Please don't be too emotional. |
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