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Posted By: Verma Posted On: Feb 9, 2004 Views: 612	To all anty laloo To all the gay who do not understads meaning of laloo ji, to me and to evry body who believes in justice qnd equality, laloo is the best, do u undersatnd what i mean to say bastards???????????//. My full name is your great father Verma, keep your dirty mouth quit, otherwise laloo ji may come and urinate. ok buy
Posted By: Pravin Sinha Posted On: Feb 8, 2004 Views: 595	To Dr. Manish Kumar I have my all the respects for Dr. Manish Kumar. I respect Dr. Manish Kumar great statement that "To me everyone who can plan the future is a bhumihar, and it should be everyone's life aim to be a bhumihar." Though I am not a Bhumihar by caste, though I am 100% anti of Bhumhar's style of killing innocents but still I do support Dr. Manish Kumar's statement. I support his statement because his statement shows his integrity towards the humanity and his honesty/charm towards the developement and progress. Every one keeps inclination towards his/her community, but it never means that we should keep hate for others. We should keep strong faith in our caste so that we will become more strong in respecting others and bring all the human being together on the path of Progress. Progress because it gives "ROTI" to all of us rather than snatching it from many. So if Dr. Manish Kumar thinks that who ever plans for future is Bhumihar, if Dr. Manish Kumar thinks that this is the definition of a Bhumihar then I would say that every one in Bihar should plan to become a Bhumihar. My salute to Dr. Manish Kumar.
Posted By: Rajesh Posted On: Feb 8, 2004 Views: 618	Dr Manish Kumar Dr Manish Kumar, You are one enlightened Bhumihar. Talking in caste domain, I know some prominent Bhumihar personalities during last century, you are more influenced by Swami Sahjanand Saraswati than Dr Shri Krishna Singh. For those who are unfamiliar with these names - Shri Krishna Singh was first chief minister of Bihar and a votery of feudal system (in my view). Sahjanand Saraswati was a peasant leader during 1930s and worked for poor peasants including non-caste hindus Santhalis. Since our society is still divided along caste lines each having problems, I think it is very important to have enlightened leaders in all castes including yours (Bhumihar) and mine (a working class having problem with alcohalism). Back to Laloo Yadav, I agree with your assessment that development has taken back seat during his regime. But, as you pointed out, social justice is very important issue which has eclipsed the development so far and has potential to continue for foreseable future. In my view, social justice is far more important than development. Empowerment of lower castes in Bihar during last 10 years is inprecedent. I hear from lot of people that it was unimaginable 20 years ago. I think it is not easy to compare social justice with development, same way as it would be incorrect to compare a doctor's skill with engineer's. Laloo Yadav specialises in social justice, not development. Even now he has enough cards in his sleeve.
Posted By: Pravin Sinha Posted On: Feb 8, 2004 Views: 604	A K Verma Abe woh siyaar pahle apne naam to pura likh. What is A K Verma ?? Don't try to shout while hiding your face behind your Sari. This the reason why you are out of power in Bihar. I am not joking, I am telling the truth. You have only option left here...go and wear Bangles and shout hiding inside your home. Here every caste people came for comments and every one tried to justify them self with some logic. If you don't have any then you have no right to write like this for a particular group of community. If you have to say something then be rational. Here no one is shouting, so stop shouting like a street dog.
Posted By: MK Sharma Posted On: Feb 8, 2004 Views: 617	Thanks Manishjee Maneesh jee, Thanks for your good posting.It would have been a very nice changing point to the state situation if other people would have understood in the same manner as you!
Posted By: Dr.Manish kumar Posted On: Feb 8, 2004 Views: 602	Bihar's present Dear friends, i went through some of the comments on this page and felt that most of the people are thinking either only superficially or from only one side. I think my comment will give a holistic view of the situation. Lalloism grew and flourished in Bihar because of ignorant, castist and corrupt rule by congress in past and a continuous support by the same in present. It has mainly two facets, social and political. Socially, even now (and even i feel - belonging to a caste worst hit by the present sectarian regime) Laloo prasad is needed in Bihar because even now the 'gentlemen' of the uppercastes are not feeling the need to make the down trodden of the society to feel that they are and will be cared by the 'gentlemen' better, leave alone what they have been doing 10 years ago. If this single fact would have been understood by the people who desperately want president's rule in Bihar, probably Bihar would not have languished in hands of retrogressive, ignorant rulers. Yes, Bhumihars, for that reason every one who has a pen in his pocket and feels the worthlessness of the same, do deserve the treatment of shoes (I am a Bihari Bhumihar), because? Because they have felt about themselves not as a human being, not a simple human being, but a special human being, sometimes even god! Illtreating every one including heir own caste people, leave alone other caste people with similar abilities. They are unhappy if someone doesn't call them as 'MALIK'. Because they can't see even their own brothers prosper. They have totally forgotten that BHUMIHARI means the way to victory and not a LATHI for a LATHI. To me everyone who can plan the future is a bhumihar, and it should be everyone's life aim to be a bhumihar. I am seeing so many portals with nonsense inputs about the caste. Of course we are the ones mostly hit and we are the fore runners in the campaign against Laloo but never succeeded because of yadav's way of our work. In a nut shell i will tell that Laloo ji has got a big reason and base for his stability and until you pour MATTHA in root the will remain ever green and mind you , president's rule is just like goats grazing, will finish the small plants but not the grasses. There are so many things still more important but i don't have time neither i am interested in teaching the people who think great only about them selves but i would like to advice any one if he/she feels so specially if they want to live happily outside Bihar. But if we see the political situation, it becomes more than clear that congress is totally responsible for the present situation of Bihar, again most of the it was Bhumihars in congess who was responsible. I will not talk more about the politics a it has to come through the ballots ultimately and was proved by the previous parliamentary election that Laoo ji is not APARAJEY. But the most important issue above Laloo and Bhumihars is the development of Bihar. I am sure if not Laloo and Rabri, their daughtewrs and son and at least their son in laws can understand the fact that history will remember Laloo because of his sustainable works. Social justice unsupported by development will not be long lasting and ultimately he will be remembered for the chaos and sufferings which is createdby his regimen. So either he should work for development or - - - there is no way.
Posted By: M.K.Sharma Posted On: Feb 8, 2004 Views: 602	To Mr.AKVerma Mr. Verma, With the passage of some discussion,you turned up as the real Wolf in sheep's clothing. After all someone needs to prove that Forwards are not as good as they pretends to be.You smells good as long as one abuses Laloo but your arsehole starts burning when someone is arguing in favour! In fact you are not here to oppose the politician but to abuse the backwards.Perhaps You GAY forgot that there are more backwards in this forum better than you Basterd. Just go and ask your mother about your genesis. May be you will get some insight for the wrongness with you. It is sorry to say that people like you makes the Bihar a dirty place.The land of Budhha needs to be purified for the people like you.
Posted By: Nitin Yadav Posted On: Feb 8, 2004 Views: 584	To AK Verma Mr. Verma, It seems that you have lost your intellectual thinking abilities and took a turn that will take you a road that has a "Only Fools are Welcomed here". Rajesh, Pravin and others who are participating in this discussion, are trying to make their reasonable points, you may agree or disagree. Being a yadav, I do not like what Laloo is doing in Bihar and I completely disagree with Rajesh and his stereo type mentality, but there is need to have some decenncy. My request to you that please do not participate in a discussion if it is beynd your mental thinking. Enjoy your life whereever you are but donot disgrace yourself. Thanks.
Posted By: Rajesh Posted On: Feb 8, 2004 Views: 573	Time travel Different people have different estimates how much Laloo rule put Bihar reverse in time. Some say 10 years, such 20 years and some even 100 years. But I don't understand why these complaints? Many hardcore Laloo bashers, especially RSS, would not deny that system or balance was much better 100 years ago than present. 100 years ago people were strictly following the caste system or Varnashram Dharma. Brahmins and Kshatryas had complete control over the rest. Even Lala and Banias were firmly under Shudra Dharma. There was hardly any sign of western influence. I think 100 years we had some vestige of Ram Rajya that RSS and BJP keep harping. They need more Laloo Yadavs to guide country to the past and glory.
Posted By: A K Verma Posted On: Feb 8, 2004 Views: 572	To All Backward Bastards Hey All Backward Bastards, You guys keep singing song of Lalooa and Rabri and have all explanations in the world and feel happy, but "A stupid person like Rabri and Lalooa can run the govt but make the society 50-100 yrs back. There are thousands of examples in Indian history when dumb and idiots came in power and what they did. Bihar is paying that price. In few years it will be left with nothing but idiots like Rajesh, Pravin, and many others like them. Pravin, I take your challenge in every way. I am not afraid of anybody including the goons of Lalooa. So, stop bragging all nonsense. Just talk you all idiots amonst yourselves and pat each other's back and feel Great.
Posted By: Rajesh Posted On: Feb 7, 2004 Views: 647	Education versus expression Prabhat, Point I wanted to make when I referred to Naveen Patnaik (Orissa CM) is that job in public office is not like running school or colleges which requires some minimum qualification. Politicians are expected to be mirror of society they represent and using this criteria Rabri fairs better than Naveen. In our political system everyone has right to run for public office regardless of qualification. It hold true for all successful democracies. Failed democracy like Pakistan requires a college graduate degree to run for public office. It is interesting that even though majority of electorate are illiterate but most politicians are educated (at least passed high school or college). It is true in all democracies around the world that politicians as a group are educationally more qualified than the people. I think simple explanation is that education makes people smarter which helps getting success in politics. Now coming back to Rabri's qualification, who say she runs the state? Even her detractor claims that it is Laloo runs the show. By the way, how to define "education"? Is it primary school, high school or college graduate? Nehru was a layer and certainly very qualified but Indira Gandhi was just a matriculate, not sure pass or fail. I think I mentioned it earlier - that Indian civil servants are educationally most qualified in the world but the people they claim serve are least developed. People jumps in and blame politicians which may be true but it is also fact that the class from which civil servants are tapped are cut off from general populace. They have education but not the commitment to do their job.
Posted By: prabhat Posted On: Feb 7, 2004 Views: 641	Education versus expression Rohit jee, You are welcome here in this discussion for the better thinking on Bihar. Rajesh jee, Aren't you agrguing just to oppose everyone at anything said Good or Bad? I hope that you might be having enough understanding for the difference between an un-educated person and an educated person lacking his expression in a particular language. If Naveen Patnaik is unable(Not now) to talk in Oriya then it is the fault of his father who never let him allowed to learn Oriya. Do you mean that Naveen Patnaik & rabri Devi has same level of expression? Just answer me one question.Suppose you sent your child at a bording school where teaching medium is Hindi. After finishing his good education he returns to his village and is unable to Speak Maghi or Bhojpuri. Does this mean that he is same as an illeterate one in the same village? There is no any leader in this country who can be understood by all his countrymen.So if Bajpayee delivers his speech in Sanskritised Hindi(Which a correct form of Hindi) then is it wrong? I am not saying that the speeches made by Laloo Prasad is wrong or bad but there is a big differance if he speaks just to make a mockery of a big public institution causing plight of Bihar. Wasn't there any better person in his cabinet or Party to be enthoned as CM? You may be right as long as you are talking in favour of Laloo Prasad but for the shake of goodness please do not start argument in favour of ability of Rabri as CM.Even Naxalites is led by a well educated person! Please continue the discussion in right way.Thanks
Posted By: Rajesh Posted On: Feb 7, 2004 Views: 656	Chief Minister Rabri Devi There is so much grouse about Rabri becoming chief minister. Some call it resulted from a hole in constitution. But how many can recall the circumstance that made her CM? We forget that Laloo Yadav was forced to resign when CBI slapped criminal case as directed by the centre. Hardly anybody complained about the constitutional hole when his political adversaries tried to capture power through back door. They were expecting Laloo to just give in. Last word - people who feel offended by seeing Rabri in CM's chair also feel same way about Laloo (how can Ahir become CM?).
Posted By: Rajesh Posted On: Feb 7, 2004 Views: 608	Political Communication - Laloo Style So much said about Rabri's inability to speak. But before jumping to conclusion, look around. How many of us knows that Orrisa chief minister Naveen Patnaik cannot speak the language (Oria) of the people he governs? He was educated abroad and address his people in English. Now let's come to fabled Vajpayee's Hindi. I doubt if his sanskritized Hindi is understood by the village folks in Bihar and other part of northern India. Laloo can beat Vajpayee any day in influencing and winning people. For the rustic downtrodden people, Laloo is one of them, not Vajpayee.
Posted By: Rohit Prasad Posted On: Feb 7, 2004 Views: 728	Governance in bihar Hello Friend, Today is my first day to this site. Hopefully i will try to be part of discussion. I have gone through last few postings. Here are my views about bihar. Biharis have got talent, this i have seen from students life to professional life. But then why bihar is not progressing ? One of the reason is no one wants to stay in bihar and work. and you know why ? This is not that laloo is most corrupt person in bihar. There are poeople in politics who are holding the same position as laloo, but they are not giving mindless exposure like laloo to the media. And unlike laloo they do some development for the state. See where laloo fails is... 1. Development Fund for Infrastructure development: Development funds are comming to bihar but no one is taking care of utilising it. Take an example the center fund to the state of Rs 300 crore was returned back to center as it was lying unutilised for almost 2 and half year(2002, it was returned back to center). 2. Lack of Educational Institute: There are not a single college of repute in bihar. We know the student are bright. But where is infrastructure. The able father send there children to good schools/college outside bihar(except some good school in bokaro and rachi). Consider this ..Even Andra pradesh cm asked center govenment to consider the plan of upgradation of Osmania unversity(blacklisted in all most all the developed) to the status of IIT. What did laloo did in this regards. 3. IT infrastructure in Bihar: Laloo has done nothing in terms of IT infrastrucuture development. He even went upto saing, bihar does not computer. How much this justified when the states next to bihar like Bengal, orissa, andhra pradesh have their 20% of the revenue generated through IT. 4. Law and Order: No explanation needed. 5. PSU's: Have you seen any state bus plying between Patna and Rajgir !.. How many of us know about losses incured by bokaro for last 4 years. These are few of the examples. Do not take me as wrong friends. I am one among us. I will be the first person to return if things get right in state. Rohit Prasad, Ranchi

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