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| Posted By: Hellow's Father Posted On: Feb 5, 2004 Views: 699 | To Hellow Hellow always talks nonsense. Now he is also using this platform to talk nosense. Please do not mind his nonsense "Whatever he has written about caste on this platform. He is basically sick and enjoys giving false notions about himself. Hellow; Donot waste other's time. |
| Posted By: HELLO Posted On: Feb 5, 2004 Views: 763 | A TRUE UPPER CASTE 1) Humility 2) charity 3) egolessness 4) fearlessness 5) hard workers 6) magnanimity 7) truthfullness 8) constantly perfecting oneself Please do not call yourselves upper caste if you don't have ALL of these qualities. Caste is not determined by your parents, but by your own actions or karma. STOP TWISTING AND EMBARRASSING HINDUISM BY STUPIDITY! |
| Posted By: HELLO Posted On: Feb 5, 2004 Views: 757 | CASTE HISTORIES The intention of my writing these histories was not to look down on others, but just lay out the facts. Everyone should be proud of who they are, BUT NOT ARROGANT! Biharis should move forward by knowing who they are and working together to make Bihar a better place. We all love Bihar, whatever our histories, we are now bound by the land of Bihar. Unite and work hard to make Bihar great once more. Humility, charity, humanity is the first sign of a true upper caste. Caste is not by birth but by Karma. In that sense we are all Kurmis. |
| Posted By: HELLO Posted On: Feb 5, 2004 Views: 751 | CASTE HISTORIES Dalits: Who are the dalits? Dalits have nothing to be ashamed of, but should be proud of who they are. There ancestors were the rebels of Indian civilization. In fact the dalits are no more than our very own descendants that due to anti-brahmanical "misbehavior" were kicked out of our castes to perform "lowly" duties. Raja Harishchandra became a Dalit, a Chandala, he worked hard and he was restored his kingdom. Vishwamitra ( the famous chandravanshi who gave brahmins their dear Gayatri mantra, the greatest mantra ever)and his family too lived with Dalits, Trishanku also fed his family beef according to the Puranas! Trishanku himself was a kurmi suryavanshi King who was outcasted due to his love of beef, wine and women...but good 'ol Vishwamitra helped him ascend to heaven. Veda Vyasa (compiler of Vedas and Mahabharata) had a dalit mother. Vashista's sons were all turned into dalits by Vishwamitra's curse. |
| Posted By: HELLO Posted On: Feb 5, 2004 Views: 749 | CASTE HISTORIES KURMIS: One might wonder what happened to the Vedic Suryavanshis? They are none other than the Kurmis who for the most part had origins as humble farmers. Kurmis means "karmans" or "I will" those who work hard to ascend the caste system and then transcend it. They had the greatest kings --- Rama the greatest warrior. In fact the first kings of all ancient lands came from the ordinary farmers. The first emperor of China, The Yellow Emperor, was a humble farmer and this was the case in India as well. Prithvi is in fact named after the first king Prithu who milked the earth in the form of a cow to yield crops during a horrible drought. Sita means "furrow" in sanskrit and was found by Raja Janaka while he was tilling the earth! Books also mention Buddha who sat in meditation as a boy while he watched his father till the soil. It was the tillers of the soil who found Shakti buried in the earth and became the first Kings. These kings, along with their chandravanshi brothers (both sons of Manu)were real kings who built vast empires and civilizations that would outlast their kingship. Their descendants would then return to their hard work with humility, for humility and hard work is the first true sign of a dwija or twice born. For it is karma that makes true kshatriya or brahmin, not birth, and so the karman kurmis work hard to make themselves great once more. |
| Posted By: Rajesh Posted On: Feb 5, 2004 Views: 748 | Caste histories There were some castes who got discontinued. For example, there was a caste "Thug" as British called them during 19th centuries. Their occupation was to cheat and kill people, once again as recorded by the British. Now, at present there are some castes having little or no history. So it may be possible that the discontinued castes of the past took shape or name of these castes. |
| Posted By: Rajesh Posted On: Feb 5, 2004 Views: 751 | Caste histories Thanks Hello (??) for recalling some historical facts. There is a famous say that when you dwell into past you loss one eye; when you forget past you loss both eyes. Let me add a few more thoughts on this.. Bihar (or nothern India) was properous when it was ruled by Shudras (Mauryas, Jarasandh etc). It was Chandragupta who resisted foreign invaders. On the other hand when Muslims invaded, Rajputs were busy in fighting among themselves and Brahmins busy in conspiring against the rest. I think the reason is simple. Shudras, the original inhabitants of the land, had interest in preserving freedom as they were tied to the land unlike feudal class or castes. |
| Posted By: HELLO Posted On: Feb 5, 2004 Views: 746 | Caste Histories Yadava/Koeri Castes: it's strange and sad that Laloo Yadav has single handedly destroyed the image of the Yadava clan descended from Yadu (although they were kicked out of kingship due to their father but their status resurrected with Krishna who was said to have destroyed their ancestors curse only to have the Yadavas be cursed once more by Gandhari). The last Hindu rulers of Bihar were the Pala dynasty of Bengal and Bihar who were Yadavas. Of course who can forget Jarasandha the chandravanshi King of Magadha who despised Krishna. Why did I put the Yadavas and Koeris together?. The chandravanshis are all interrelated, with the difference being that Yadavas are cattle herders due to their curse while the chandravanshis Koeris are more landed people. Koeries are the only ones who recall Jarasandha in their legends. |
| Posted By: HELLO Posted On: Feb 5, 2004 Views: 742 | Caste HISTORIES Together the brahmins, Rajputs, Bhumihars and Kayasthas comprise the so called "FORWARD CASTES" NOT to be confused with "upper caste" or dwija of the hindus. They are forward because they were opportunists who took full advantage in Mughal and British times as rulers. In other words, they took full advantage foreign rulers under Afghan/Mughal and British rule. The backward castes are those who were not opportunists and did not get educated and land ownership under foreign rule. |
| Posted By: HELLO Posted On: Feb 5, 2004 Views: 739 | KAYASTHAS KAYASTHAS: The Kayasthas are an interesting caste. They claim Vedic kshatriya (as opposed to melecha or barbarian kshatriyas) ancestry -- but those kshatriyas who were defeated by Parashurama and were forced to take up the pen instead of the sword to survive. |
| Posted By: Hello Posted On: Feb 5, 2004 Views: 731 | MORE CASTE HISTORIES BHUMIHARS: Very little about the origin of Bhumihars is known. Some of them think they are Brahmins other's think they are kshatriyas. They are the only ones who have names ranging from the brahmin titles of Sharma to the kshatriya titles of Singh . Here's what we do know: 1) They are only found in Bihar and have the most land. 2) The Ranvir Sena is named after their hero Ranvir who was able to defeat Rajput incursions into Bhumihar owned territory during Mughal invasions. Unfortuneatly not much is known about their caste history or their claims of being brahmins which is rejected by Maithil and Saraswat Brahmins. The Bhumihars also don't have much in terms of folk legends as to their true origins. |
| Posted By: Hello Posted On: Feb 5, 2004 Views: 736 | MORE CASTEs RAJPUTS: Rajputs again are the foreign kshatriyas or Melechas. Todd assigns Scythian origin to the Rajputs. Scythians came to be known as Sakas in South Asia, and were absorbed in the Hindu fold as Kshatriyas. Sakas, Yavannas (Greco-Bactrians), Pallavas (Parthians) ultimately became Kshatriyas. The Huns are known to have been regarded as one of the 36 clans of Rajputs. To this day the Agni from which they come from is installed at Mt. Abu. |
| Posted By: Hello Posted On: Feb 5, 2004 Views: 734 | Caste histories Seeing a lot of casteism, rather tribalism since there are only four castes in Hinduism, I thought we should have a good discussion on the history of the castes of Bihar: MAITHIL BRAHMINS: In the thirteenth century Mithila was invaded by Afghans, who deposed the Kshatriya ruler and placed a Maithil Brahman in control of land revenues over much of this region. This family soon began calling themselves kings, distributing land to other members of their caste, so that gradually land passed into the control of Maithil Brahmans. During Akbars reign in the sixteenth century, a second Maithil Brahman family came to rule as the Khandavala Dynasty. By British times, their estate, Darbhanga Raj, was the largest and richest of the great zamindari estates. Their capital was in the town of Darbhanga. They controlled most of Mithila until after Independence when the Republic of India brought an end to all the rajas and princely states. in other words, the Maithil brahmins were themselves installed by Afghan invader Bhaktiar Khilji (thus Bhatiarpur)-- and have no real claim as brahmins. These traitors killed the Kurmi kshatriya Magadhan king and installed themselves. |
| Posted By: Anita Choudhary Posted On: Feb 5, 2004 Views: 747 | Rajesh and MK Sharma Hey guys, MK Sharma and Rajesh seem to have many things in common. So, Rajesh got a partner in the name of MK Sharma, who also believes (my speculation from his logics) in useless communist philosophy. He is so confused that he really does not know how to express his thinkings. So, he is just challenging every body to come Bihar and take the leadership of Bihar. He does not know that he and people like him has destroyed Bihar to the point that for the moment only criminals can survive in that Jungle Raj. Mr. Sharma, wait for some time. People from Bihar only will bring changes for good in Bihar and thorw Laloo and his goons out of power. The water is yet not reached to the nose, so people are still tolerating those gangs of Lalooa. |
| Posted By: Rajesh Posted On: Feb 5, 2004 Views: 735 | Two legged buffalos Thanks Pravin for clarifying your "two legged buffalo" comment even though it is hardly convincing. One thing I noticed is that any degrading comment about the depressed castes is passed without protest or probably taken as a matter of enjoyment or satisfaction. But anything related to the priviledged class is taken seriously. There was nothing degrading in my comment about BhuRaBal but it caused fury of reactions. |
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